Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire

Dragondog · 05-28-2019, 05:15 PM

I was just reading about a vampire's weaknesses in Monster Hunters 3. The feral vampire has both Weakness (Sunlight; 1d per minute; Variable) and Vulnerability (Heat/Fire ¥2). Quoting from that volume: "a mere touch of sunlight does 2d injury immediately" and "All injury described here includes the Vulnerability; do not factor it in again."

From that information, it seems that a Vulnerability to Heat/Fire would include sunlight. Is that correct? I would have assumed that sunlight is very common rarity.

AlexanderHowl · 05-28-2019, 09:56 PM

That is a bit odd, Sunlight should be very common while Heat/Fire should be common.

Anthony · 05-29-2019, 01:48 AM

Hm. I wonder if that's an error. I was under the impression Weakness damage was never modified by other effects.

Gumby Bush · 05-29-2019, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Hm. I wonder if that's an error. I was under the impression Weakness damage was never modified by other effects.

"This injury comes off your HP directly, regardless of your DR or other defensive advantages." (B161)

It doesn't explicitly say that it is never modified, but it sure seems to imply it.

As for the different rarities, Vulnerability calculates rarity as an attack, as per DR, whereas Weakness calculates rarity as occurrent substance. I don't think this changes with the Vampire's expansion of possible Heat/Fire damaging effects to sunlight (it remains narrower than "all energy attacks" which is one of the examples given for Very Common).

AlexanderHowl · 05-29-2019, 07:14 AM

I would assume that it would not stack myself, as Sunlight is not Heat/Fire, unless the vampire was tossed into a star.

Flyndaran · 05-29-2019, 08:01 AM

Yeah, sunlight is EM radiation. It's not like albinos suffer extra in saunas.

Bruno · 05-29-2019, 10:23 AM

I would have written it as"heat, fire, and sunlight" but I wouldn't change the cost from common to very common.

Actually taking damage from sunlight is not a very common occurrence, out takes long exposure. While the weakness does make it more common, it's still not nearly close to "all energy".

Black Leviathan · 05-29-2019, 11:08 AM

Yeah it was clumsily written but I can see the argument of Sunlight as a category of radiant energy like fire and heat, or things presumed to be against Darkness. The logic of vampiric weaknesses isn't based in modern science.

David Johnston2 · 05-29-2019, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHowl

I would assume that it would not stack myself, as Sunlight is not Heat/Fire, unless the vampire was tossed into a star.

Sunlight may not be fire, but the Weakness that vampires have to sunlight represents catching on fire. So yeah. They stack. The reason why sunlight isn't Very Common is because it's not that hard to avoid just by staying indoors. But its still a more common hazard than being attacked with a flam

AlexanderHowl · 05-29-2019, 03:28 PM

Which mythology and/or which fiction? In some, they turn to dust. In others, they rot. In yet others, it reminds them that they should be dead and so they start to die. In the archetypal modern vampire story, sunlight only weakens Dracula and does him no direct harm. There is no universal truth concerning sunlight and vampires.

05-28-2019, 05:15 PM	#1
Dragondog Never Been Pretty Join Date: Jan 2005	Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire I was just reading about a vampire's weaknesses in Monster Hunters 3. The feral vampire has both Weakness (Sunlight; 1d per minute; Variable) and Vulnerability (Heat/Fire ¥2). Quoting from that volume: "a mere touch of sunlight does 2d injury immediately" and "All injury described here includes the Vulnerability; do not factor it in again." From that information, it seems that a Vulnerability to Heat/Fire would include sunlight. Is that correct? I would have assumed that sunlight is very common rarity. __________________ Daydreams of a Dragon: My blog

05-28-2019, 09:56 PM	#2
AlexanderHowl Join Date: Feb 2016	Re: Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire That is a bit odd, Sunlight should be very common while Heat/Fire should be common.

05-29-2019, 01:48 AM	#3
Anthony Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Berkeley, CA	Re: Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire Hm. I wonder if that's an error. I was under the impression Weakness damage was never modified by other effects. __________________ My GURPS site and Blog.

05-29-2019, 07:14 AM	#5
AlexanderHowl Join Date: Feb 2016	Re: Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire I would assume that it would not stack myself, as Sunlight is not Heat/Fire, unless the vampire was tossed into a star.

05-29-2019, 08:01 AM	#6
Flyndaran Untagged Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Forest Grove, Beaverton, Oregon	Re: Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire Yeah, sunlight is EM radiation. It's not like albinos suffer extra in saunas. __________________ Beware, poor communication skills. No offense intended. If offended, it just means that I failed my writing skill check.

05-29-2019, 10:23 AM	#7
Bruno Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada	Re: Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire I would have written it as"heat, fire, and sunlight" but I wouldn't change the cost from common to very common. Actually taking damage from sunlight is not a very common occurrence, out takes long exposure. While the weakness does make it more common, it's still not nearly close to "all energy". __________________ All about Size Modifier; Unified Hit Location Table A Wiki for my F2F Group A neglected GURPS blog

05-29-2019, 11:08 AM	#8
Black Leviathan Join Date: Sep 2018	Re: Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire Yeah it was clumsily written but I can see the argument of Sunlight as a category of radiant energy like fire and heat, or things presumed to be against Darkness. The logic of vampiric weaknesses isn't based in modern science.

05-29-2019, 03:28 PM	#10
AlexanderHowl Join Date: Feb 2016	Re: Weakness to Sunlight and Vulnerability to Heat/Fire Which mythology and/or which fiction? In some, they turn to dust. In others, they rot. In yet others, it reminds them that they should be dead and so they start to die. In the archetypal modern vampire story, sunlight only weakens Dracula and does him no direct harm. There is no universal truth concerning sunlight and vampires.