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04-08-2018, 11:24 AM | #292 |
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[QUOTE=jason taylor;2170272]Uh-huh. I can see the problem too. Another problem is a lot of the mentality suited for government really can't be developed outside government. For instance a state's first line of defense is it's honor; a proper reputation for being vengeful to foes, grateful to allies, and keeping it's word saves quite a bit in blood and treasure. A business man cannot necessarily imbibe that idea properly. Nor can a lawyer for that matter
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04-08-2018, 11:48 AM | #293 | |
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For game purposes this might be implemented as an approved list of scientific, engineering and mechanical jobs. (I'm very aware that humans are humans and would find a way to game this, as they do any system.)
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04-08-2018, 05:32 PM | #294 | ||
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04-08-2018, 05:45 PM | #295 |
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Sure he does and a few lawyers in the legislature and the executive are not all that bad. It's just that a good lawyer is also to, well, legalistic, whereas people in the executive need to deal with the type of folks who think in the manner of mob families. ROE that expect decency of the state are one thing, if they cripple the state that is another.
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04-08-2018, 09:07 PM | #296 | |
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It's a variation on the 'agency problem'. I could imagine various ways a society might try to compensate. Imagine a large society which chooses its policy-making body by jury-lot, and has them served by separate regional bureaucracies, with separate chains of command and training and so on. It would be inefficient, but you might set it up to get branches of the bureaucrats fighting each other for power instead of working as a body against their supposed employers. Another approach might be to have private (in a sense) contractors who do the bureaucratic administration, competing to get this 5-year 'contract' from the policy-making body. Members of the policy-making body can never be employed by these companies. No approach is going to be perfectly effective, though, any human-made and human-run system can at least potentially be gamed.
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Given I live in a country which is the figment of seven competing states, I don't like the regional bureaucracies model. That gave Australia three different rail gauges. But from a game related setting meta point of view, bring on Kafka... Quote:
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*Cough* Republican Rome, and the various shenanigans of different senators and consuls.*cough*
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04-09-2018, 05:13 AM | #299 |
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[QUOTE=David Johnston2;2170276Why not? A good lawyer sticks to the deals he make.[/QUOTE]
I ought point out that most of America's Founding Fathers were lawyers. To write laws, it helps a lot to have been on the interpreting/working with them end of the business. Much of an advocate's job is persuasion, building alliances with other potential parties, knowing one's opposition, and having a reputation with the courts, their staff, and their opponents for fair dealing, honesty, competence, and persistence. Are there the Saul Goodmans out there -- sure. Find them in every field. But hardly the norm. |
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