Fourth Age of Middle Earth gaming

[Johnny1A.2]

Originally Posted by whswhs

Yes, and that's true even before LotR. The Hobbit opens with a discussion of how hobbits are now rare and seldom spotted, which implies "this is in the past when hobbits were more common and less hidden from Big Folk." And his elven mythologies and epics were implied to be in the remote past even when they stood entirely on their own and had not gotten tangled up with hobbits.

Bill Stoddard

At one point in the story, Tolkien also notes that there are still some few Elves left in our world, too, and that people occasionally see them.

[Spudzill]

There are allegedly laws to re-route highway around their homes in Iceland.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Spudzill

doesn't seem long enough. r.

We are discussing powers that can rearrange the world with little more than a finger snap. I picked 6,000 years because it was the medieval idea of how long the world itself had been in existence. And bear in mind that Numenor was supposed to be the "real" story behind Atlantis.

[shawnhcorey]

I thought Númenor, Gondor, and Arnor were all chronicled by Tolkien. You should start with when the Ring was destroyed and backdate from there.

[Spudzill]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

We are discussing powers that can rearrange the world with little more than a finger snap. I picked 6,000 years because it was the medieval idea of how long the world itself had been in existence. And bear in mind that Numenor was supposed to be the "real" story behind Atlantis.

Ah! Okay I see your point in terms of the Biblical age. OTH the tale of Atlantis as told to Solon(or was it an ancestor to Solon?) which was quoted by Plato was supposed to be...let's see, let dig out GURPS Atalantis...9000 years previous to Solons visit in the 500's B.C. Thus making The fall of Atlantis 11000 years ago. So if Atlantis is based upon Numenor it would have to be at least that old. How long was it from the Fall of Numanor to the end of the Third Age?

[shawnhcorey]

This may help: Timeline of Arda.

[Hans Rancke-Madsen]

Originally Posted by Spudzill

How long was it from the Fall of Numanor to the end of the Third Age?

The Fall of Numenor was close to the end of the Second Age. So a little over 3000 years before the end of the Third Age.


Hans

[shawnhcorey]

3042 years. If Atlantis fell 11,000 BCE, that would means the start of the Fourth Age would be 7,958 BCE.

But that does not leave room for the Woses or Púkel-men. If they were Neanderthals, they would have died off some 30,000 years ago, making the start of the Fourth Age before then.

[Spudzill]

Originally Posted by shawnhcorey

3042 years. If Atlantis fell 11,000 BCE, that would means the start of the Fourth Age would be 7,958 BCE.

But that does not leave room for the Woses or Púkel-men. If they were Neanderthals, they would have died off some 30,000 years ago, making the start of the Fourth Age before then.

Good point. I never really did understand who those guys were. The appendix didn't make it clear nor did the Silmarillion. Hell, the whole History of Men was confusing as hell in The Silmarillion.

[Spudzill]

Originally Posted by Hans Rancke-Madsen

The Fall of Numenor was close to the end of the Second Age. So a little over 3000 years before the end of the Third Age.


Hans

The fall of Numenor I thought was the end of the Second Age?