Damaging diffuse targets

[ArchonShiva]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Realistically, it goes through the diffuse target and shatters when it hits something, which may or may not wind up affecting the target. By RAW I think it just affects the target as a single target attack, though.

I’m pretty sure diffuse doesn’t mean that stuff passes right through, though. You can grapple diffuse targets, right? You can catch them in a net?

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I am having trouble imagining a creature with DR3+ and Diffuse. Do you have an example in mind?

Let’s call him “the wind knight”, a diffuse knight wearing epic plate. He’s an actual (rumoured, but I trust our skill rolls) dungeon boss in Stripe’s campaign.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ArchonShiva

I’m pretty sure diffuse doesn’t mean that stuff passes right through, though. You can grapple diffuse targets, right? You can catch them in a net?

You cannot grapple or slam diffuse targets.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Anthony

You cannot grapple or slam diffuse targets.

Exploits p 55 says nets and mattresses are diffuse. You can grapple a net, and grapple or slam a mattress

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Exploits p 55 says nets and mattresses are diffuse. You can grapple a net, and grapple or slam a mattress

Monsters p10 says you cannot slam or grapple a diffuse target. Presumably specific examples can be exceptions.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by ArchonShiva

I’m pretty sure diffuse doesn’t mean that stuff passes right through, though. You can grapple diffuse targets, right? You can catch them in a net?

So? The rule about targets with less than DR 3 still applies.

Let’s call him “the wind knight”, a diffuse knight wearing epic plate. He’s an actual (rumoured, but I trust our skill rolls) dungeon boss in Stripe’s campaign.

Then the grenade shatters on his armor and he takes damage.

[ArchonShiva]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Monsters p10 says you cannot slam or grapple a diffuse target. Presumably specific examples can be exceptions.

Every mention of diffuse references DFM55, but some (not all) of the rules for it are only on DFM10. I don’t love this...

Also, I find it super funny that as written, you can grapple swarms. (DFM8 says “as if it were diffuse”, which therefore apparently it’s not. This is mostly a joke, as the Swarm monster’s description description states it is diffuse).

[jeff_wilson]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Exploits p 55 says nets and mattresses are diffuse. You can grapple a net, and grapple or slam a mattress

I can't find a PDF of that title with 55 pages.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by jeff_wilson

I can't find a PDF of that title with 55 pages.

The only relevant one (the only book with that title in the box) has 112 pages and the text about nets and mattresses is there on p. 55 (Damage to Objects, third paragraph).

Most mattresses and nets probably have DR <3, though and so bounce grenades.

[jeff_wilson]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

The only relevant one (the only book with that title in the box) has 112 pages and the text about nets and mattresses is there on p. 55 (Damage to Objects, third paragraph).

Most mattresses and nets probably have DR <3, though and so bounce grenades.

I don't own the box set myself, but I did finally notice that one of the illos showed part of a book called "-OITS."

It seems kind of odd for mattresses to be diffuse. Does DFRPG not have the concept of flexible DR?

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by jeff_wilson

Does DFRPG not have the concept of flexible DR?

No, it does not. DR has been 'simplified'* by it's removal for DFRPG.


* I put that in quotes because I actually find DFRPG to be harder to 'properly' run because so much is missing from the way I run DF...