Falling alone

hcobb · 11-06-2018, 02:52 PM

How do you house rule attempted HTH vs the tripped?

For example Reptile Man runs up half-MA, tosses bola at legs, and if that hits (no saving throw), moves into HTH the next turn.

Does the fallen figure get a response to HTH roll?

larsdangly · 11-06-2018, 04:00 PM

I would say no. If you are on the ground all your hex sides are treated as rear hexes; can't you enter HTH automatically through a rear hex side? I guess I should go re-read that passage to get the wording just right...

hcobb · 11-06-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by larsdangly

I would say no. If you are on the ground all your hex sides are treated as rear hexes; can't you enter HTH automatically through a rear hex side? I guess I should go re-read that passage to get the wording just right...

Page 117: "If the attacker jumped the defender from behind, or if the defender is unarmed and does not have unarmed-combat skill, ignore a 6 and roll again."

"When two figures are on the ground in HTH combat, any other figure(s) can move onto that hex and join the brawl, using option (a) or (j). No die roll is required."

larsdangly · 11-06-2018, 05:30 PM

Well, that is ambiguous. I guess the approach that would be most in keeping with the RAW is that you definitely get to make the attempt (because the target has MA 0), but a roll has to be made if they are armed and generally able to act. You could argue that make sense, as a person on the ground has ways to fend off an attacker. It would make more sense if the aggressor had some kind of special advantage on that roll, but this is one of many places where you are probably better off not making up a new, idiosyncratic rule

Skarg · 11-06-2018, 11:10 PM

We played that initiating HTH with a prone figure succeeded without a 1d6 roll. I thought there was text saying as much somewhere. No?

amenditman · 11-07-2018, 12:33 AM

I had a Go-Ju karate sensei in college who used to do what he called the Eagle and the Shark drills with us. He would lay on the ground and have us attack him. Most of us beginners never laid a finger on him, and it was pretty rare for more advanced students to make effective attacks against him.

If your prone figure has UC III or higher and is aware of the threat/action, he could easily refuse to enter TFT style HtH combat against someone not also trained to that level of HtH.

Against someone with UC II or higher maybe a quick-contest with dice adjustments for different levels of UC.

larsdangly · 11-07-2018, 11:00 AM

You could go pretty far down the rabbit hole on this problem. If we were discussing GURPS I'd say 'let's go!', but the 'game-y-ness' and abstraction of TFT don't lend themselves to these sorts of situational rules. I suspect you are best off just accepting that every now and then something will come up in the middle of a fight where the RAW ask you to do something that you could imagine doing another way.

RobW · 11-07-2018, 01:43 PM

Two reasons I'd give a roll.

p 116, you can always move onto and attempt to initiate HTH if the target is prone, but the target still gets a roll to prevent.

p 44, For UCV, the Throw attack, if successful, knocks over the opponent just like a shield bash, and then, "you may immediately move on top of them to attempt HTH". Attempt again implying an HTH defense roll is made.

However, p 116-117, since the target is prone, HTH defense rolls of 6 don't count and are re-rolled.

11-06-2018, 02:52 PM	#1
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Falling alone How do you house rule attempted HTH vs the tripped? For example Reptile Man runs up half-MA, tosses bola at legs, and if that hits (no saving throw), moves into HTH the next turn. Does the fallen figure get a response to HTH roll? __________________ -HJC

11-06-2018, 04:00 PM	#2
larsdangly Join Date: Dec 2017	Re: Falling alone I would say no. If you are on the ground all your hex sides are treated as rear hexes; can't you enter HTH automatically through a rear hex side? I guess I should go re-read that passage to get the wording just right...

11-06-2018, 05:30 PM	#4
larsdangly Join Date: Dec 2017	Re: Falling alone Well, that is ambiguous. I guess the approach that would be most in keeping with the RAW is that you definitely get to make the attempt (because the target has MA 0), but a roll has to be made if they are armed and generally able to act. You could argue that make sense, as a person on the ground has ways to fend off an attacker. It would make more sense if the aggressor had some kind of special advantage on that roll, but this is one of many places where you are probably better off not making up a new, idiosyncratic rule

11-06-2018, 11:10 PM	#5
Skarg Join Date: May 2015	Re: Falling alone We played that initiating HTH with a prone figure succeeded without a 1d6 roll. I thought there was text saying as much somewhere. No?

11-07-2018, 12:33 AM	#6
amenditman Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Florida Peninsula, Earth, Sol Sytem	Re: Falling alone I had a Go-Ju karate sensei in college who used to do what he called the Eagle and the Shark drills with us. He would lay on the ground and have us attack him. Most of us beginners never laid a finger on him, and it was pretty rare for more advanced students to make effective attacks against him. If your prone figure has UC III or higher and is aware of the threat/action, he could easily refuse to enter TFT style HtH combat against someone not also trained to that level of HtH. Against someone with UC II or higher maybe a quick-contest with dice adjustments for different levels of UC.

11-07-2018, 11:00 AM	#7
larsdangly Join Date: Dec 2017	Re: Falling alone You could go pretty far down the rabbit hole on this problem. If we were discussing GURPS I'd say 'let's go!', but the 'game-y-ness' and abstraction of TFT don't lend themselves to these sorts of situational rules. I suspect you are best off just accepting that every now and then something will come up in the middle of a fight where the RAW ask you to do something that you could imagine doing another way.

11-07-2018, 01:43 PM	#8
RobW Join Date: Mar 2018	Re: Falling alone Two reasons I'd give a roll. p 116, you can always move onto and attempt to initiate HTH if the target is prone, but the target still gets a roll to prevent. p 44, For UCV, the Throw attack, if successful, knocks over the opponent just like a shield bash, and then, "you may immediately move on top of them to attempt HTH". Attempt again implying an HTH defense roll is made. However, p 116-117, since the target is prone, HTH defense rolls of 6 don't count and are re-rolled.