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Old 07-16-2019, 09:51 AM   #1
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Let's say there's a race that has a binary* advantage/disadvantage, but I want to emphasise that this particular character is "even more" of this. If it's negating the racial trait, it's just a matter of having the "anti-advantage/-disadvantage", but to increase it would you let the character take it again and let it stack (even though it's not allowed per RAW), do you invent a new ad/disad to increase it "in spirit", do you simply forbid it, or how would you solve it?

Say for instance a race has High Pain Threshold (some brutish Orc race, for instance), but I want to have the most fearsome Orc warrior around, and the human equivalents would have High Pain Threshold to explain why the individual has excelled where normal specimens have not (in the arena, in bar brawls, etc). It's technically stackable, so what would you say about this example and more generally?

* By binary, I mean either you have it, or you don't, like Catfall, not a discrete multi-level feature like Appearance or semi-continuous like Night Vision. I don't know if there are any established words for that in this context.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:02 AM   #2
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For a trait without levels, you'd need to find or invent another trait that follows the "even more" trend. For High Pain Tolerance, consider Immunity to Pain. You may also be able to simply add Enhancements to the existing trait, like a particularly good climber from a race with Clinging might have Attraction (or a lesser version of it, if having a geckofolk hanging from a ceiling by his head doesn't work for you).
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:08 AM   #3
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I agree.

Much like Fit and Very Fit, Rapid Healing, Very Rapid Healing.

Maybe Very High Pain Threshold?
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:31 AM   #4
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GURPS rules are flexible. You can choose which rules use, which rules modify and which rules discard in your campaigns. An enhanced level of High Pain Threshold is thus possible, just increase the bonuses and the points required to get the advantage.
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:38 AM   #5
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Well, the first thing you need to do is define what you mean by the 'even more' trait; most binary traits should be something where degrees don't make sense, though GURPS has a bad habit of static traits that should be leveled. However, in those cases the trait is usually an implicit metatrait and you can get the same effect in some other way, though often at a higher cost.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:17 PM   #6
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Maybe Very High Pain Threshold?
Divine Favor p.10 includes "Immunity to Pain (Divine, -10%; Requires Concentrate, -15%) [23]"
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:54 AM   #7
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In cases like this, where traits are binary, but should be leveled, I throw out the RAW case and introduce a leveled trait in its place.
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Old 07-17-2019, 04:56 AM   #8
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As others have said: If it makes sense to have a "second level" of a non leveled advantege, just have it. I have many non leveled advantages be leveled.
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Old 07-17-2019, 01:03 PM   #9
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Let's say there's a race that has a binary* advantage/disadvantage, but I want to emphasise that this particular character is "even more" of this. If it's negating the racial trait, it's just a matter of having the "anti-advantage/-disadvantage", but to increase it would you let the character take it again and let it stack (even though it's not allowed per RAW), do you invent a new ad/disad to increase it "in spirit", do you simply forbid it, or how would you solve it?

Say for instance a race has High Pain Threshold (some brutish Orc race, for instance), but I want to have the most fearsome Orc warrior around, and the human equivalents would have High Pain Threshold to explain why the individual has excelled where normal specimens have not (in the arena, in bar brawls, etc). It's technically stackable, so what would you say about this example and more generally?

* By binary, I mean either you have it, or you don't, like Catfall, not a discrete multi-level feature like Appearance or semi-continuous like Night Vision. I don't know if there are any established words for that in this context.
Very High Pain Threshold and Immunity to Pain can be found in Divine Favor and Powers the weird.

for a binary trait, I'd enhance the hell out of it with enhancements. E.G. For Catfall that might add Feather Fall +20% and Cosmic No Roll +100% etc...

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Old 07-17-2019, 05:44 PM   #10
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I agree.

Much like Fit and Very Fit, Rapid Healing, Very Rapid Healing.

Maybe Very High Pain Threshold?
This already exists in GURPS Monster Hunters 1 - Champions.
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