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03-14-2019, 10:38 AM | #1 |
Join Date: Aug 2018
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"you stumble"
I was reading http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=112922 and it highlights one of the unarmed critical miss results:
You stumble. On an attack, you advance one yard past your opponent and end your turn facing away from him; he is now behind you! Imagine this scenario: *you have Basic Move of 5 *you are 6 yards away from your opponent *you take a "Move and Attack" maneuver *you move 5 yards toward him, and are in range to either (reach 1) kick him or make a flying tackle (or pounce, if 4-legged) at him *you critically fail and get that result, and so end up 1 yard behind him, having effectively advanced 2 extra yards further (7 total) than you could by having taken a non-attacking normal Move maneuver Can you intentionally choose in advance to critically miss to (either possibly or guaranteed) gain an extra step or 2? If it's possible to do that by stumbling on accident, then shouldn't it be possible to do that on purpose? Just say "I'm taking a Move and Attack, but I'm taking an automatic failure in exchange for choosing HOW it is I fail" Then you are basically getting the extra movement in exchange for the reduced defenses that a Move and Attack gives? It also seems like the "you stumble" result counts like a successful evasion past an opponent who might not want you to get past them. In that case, since you're not actively trying to get past them, should they even need to roll to stop you, or just automatically succeed? If they should roll, what against? |
03-14-2019, 10:43 AM | #2 | |
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03-14-2019, 10:54 AM | #3 |
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Re: "you stumble"
That sounds like a reasonable idea. Of course, being able to get the extra movement sooner than later could still be to your benefit, and you might be forced to do something next turn (get stunned: Do Nothing, or be grappled and be unable to step) which prevents you from moving anyway, in which case you didn't lose anything.
Being able to pick and choose ANY of the results would be strange, since it would allow people to casually knock themselves out (B557 results 3 and 18). However, it seems like you might be able to tactically (by choosing to reduce your attack skill to 3, the minimum required to roll at all) try to optimize your chances of getting to roll on the table (crit fails on 13-18) and possibly getting the extra step result. Making your opponent more able to get a critical success on an active defense (such as making a telegraphic attack) is another option which could change your attack roll into a critical failure. The 9/10/11 "lose your balance" result is more likely, or falling down (8) or tripping (12) or dropping guard (13) but right after that, a 7 or a 14 can get the stumbling result as the next most likely possibility. Could we design a technique where in exchange for a penalty, you gain the benefit of, if it crit-failed, being able to shift a critical miss result 1 point in a desired direction post-roll? |
03-14-2019, 11:01 AM | #4 | |
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Luxembourg
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and Super luck (aspected : only for roll on critical miss table after a crit fail on on a Move and Attack) I will let your GM decide on the limitation percentage. |
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03-14-2019, 04:53 PM | #5 | |
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Also, why are you going for Super Luck when the effect is "2 extra yards of Move"? Go with this: Slippery Attack [8] Move +2 (Only after "failed attack", -80%) |
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03-14-2019, 05:03 PM | #6 | |
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Luxembourg
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But it doesn't get you the automatic evade. Which, I agree, is probably not worth 32 cp on its own. But if you want to (ab)use critical failure, I have no problem setting the price sky-high :) Last edited by Celjabba; 03-15-2019 at 10:26 AM. |
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03-16-2019, 04:42 PM | #7 |
Join Date: Aug 2015
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I don't feel any ability that relies on the crit-failure table always being used is very good design style. As a GM I treat those tables as just a suggestion rather than a fundamental part of the system.
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03-16-2019, 05:30 PM | #8 |
Join Date: Feb 2011
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Re: "you stumble"
If you want to choose your dice roll, use some form of Super Luck. Happening to stumble past the enemy in the rare, rare case that's useful is an appropriately Super Luck-y thing to do.
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03-17-2019, 04:47 AM | #9 |
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Yucca Valley, CA
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Re: "you stumble"
Super Luck (Only to Stumble -80%) is just 20 points!
But you could get MV +4 for the same price |
03-14-2019, 10:47 PM | #10 | |
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Yucca Valley, CA
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