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Re: Should sling be its own talent?
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10-22-2018, 10:59 AM | #22 | |
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That's why I put it at IQ7 because anyone can do it. Not an Unusual Weapon at all. There was something called a "Hand Crossbow" which was a last ditch defense in the face (literally) of an attacker - give them the 1-2 or even 1-3 or 1-4 damage and use thrown not missile DX adjustments. (they were notoriously inaccurate over anything more than 5-6'). Now slingSHOTS are a different matter since they do require exotic materials. However, a 19th or 20th century slingshot was a missile weapon with a decent range - up to 20 yds - which, also, did not require specialized or exotic training but a lot of practice. The end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century were rife with stories which contained an episode of an errant slingstone from a slingshot. These, if the exotic materials were to be found, should do the 1-2 damage assigned to the "sling". Both of these, Hand Crossbow and Slingshot, should be subsumed under the Crossbow skill.
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10-22-2018, 11:01 AM | #23 |
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Re: Should sling be its own talent?
I find it hard to imagine someone achieving much with a sling without a significant amount of practice. It might not require IQ above 7, but surely a talent point should be required.
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10-22-2018, 11:30 AM | #24 |
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Re: Should sling be its own talent?
My thinking as well. I agree that it could easily be an IQ 7 talent, and originally had that in my post as well, except that Thrown Weapon is IQ 8 and the sling seems to have kinship with that. I definitely think it requires a lot of practice to develop skill with, in spite of its simplicity of construction. An atlatl is an exceedingly simple weapon, but I doubt most people are immediately proficient in that either.
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10-22-2018, 12:10 PM | #25 |
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Re: Should sling be its own talent?
What is the ammo your slingers are using, random stones, precision crafted stones/clay, lead pellets or exploding gems?
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/da...ons-the-sling/
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10-22-2018, 12:42 PM | #26 | |
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Thrown Weapon Talent is only a requirement for the Special Weapons not a requirement to throw things. An IQ 7 1 pt Sling talent would allow you to use a sling without penalty. The Thrown Weapon Talent at IQ 8 would give you a +2DX when you use a Sling. I suggest Thrown Weapons rather than Missile Weapons because the mechanics are of throwing rather than using a bow or crossbow. If we put Sling under Thrown Weapons then there is no Expert Slinger and Master Slinger. The Thrown Weapons takes care of that. Or, we can add Expert Slinger and Master Slinger and forego Thrown Weapons. I prefer Thrown Weapons because it gives a similar advantage at a similar IQ level with Missile Weapons. (OK IQ 8 vs IQ 9 - but the sling and thrown weapons are simpler than bows)
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10-22-2018, 12:59 PM | #27 | |
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The article you link to (thanks for that) has a certain myopia because the sling was a hunting weapon for the poor. If you needed great training just to hit something a lot of people would have starved to death...... But the article is correct in saying that you needed to start young - most children watching flocks started young. The Balearic slingers did two things - have greater accuracy and used heavier ammo than the usual shepherd. But they were the creme-de-la-creme of slingers. Give them BOTH Thrown Weapons and Master Slinger!
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10-22-2018, 01:17 PM | #28 | |
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I think many of the Unusual Weapons belong under IQ 7, as they are primitive weapons that were among some of the first invented by humans. Blowgun, bola, boomerang, cestus, spear thrower (atlatl) and conceivably lasso could all be moved into the IQ 7 tier. But that's a separate argument, I suspect. |
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10-22-2018, 01:35 PM | #29 |
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Re: Should sling be its own talent?
Sling + Thrown Weapons benefits?
And when will this thread be moved to the House Rules ghetto?
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10-22-2018, 02:39 PM | #30 |
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Re: Should sling be its own talent?
I think a sling should be treated as a missile weapon with respect to range penalties, and thus that its 'upgrade' talent would be Missile Weapons.
Edit: If you poke around on the internet you can figure out that simple slings have maximum ranges exceeding 400 meters (!), and people who have practiced a bit seem to have no trouble hitting targets at ~50 yards. Range penalties in TFT are pretty harsh, overall, but I'd say this earns the sling a 'missile weapon' range treatment Last edited by larsdangly; 10-22-2018 at 03:32 PM. |
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