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Old 05-18-2009, 11:50 PM   #1
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Im putting toghether a parallel where Alexander dies of old age and the life he never lived is full of glory and sucess.

He consolidates the empire, install new reforms, overall its the brightest society the world has ever seen, science, philosophy, vapor related inventions.

Then Christianity happens, it deeply changes hellenistic society into a more introspective society as social struggles from religious riots occour.

Finally around 320 AD, a huge church reform is made, and they decide that christ is indeed the prophet and son of god, after years of negotations (more like concessions) they create a new pantheon where all the greek gods are picted as servants of the creator, and in it christ is seen as the one with the job to save us.
Each position of power would have a name related to the god that whose portfolio fits it.

I need ideas for the pantheon, and further development of the world technology/politics etc...

I dont even know what year it would be best to play upon

Any ideas ?
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:13 AM   #2
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Working from Alexander's era forward, I'd go for Graceo-Roman (more Greek than Roman) and Egyptian.

And don't forget Mithraism! It was the major competition for Christianity. In fact, Christianity assimilated a lot of stuff (the Eucharist, the Twelve Apostles, and other goodies) directly from Mithraic practice in order to compete in a very competitive religious market.

And there's no guarantee that Christianity would prosper. It only became a major religion after Constantine made it the official faith of the Byzantine Empire and declared an orthodoxy to suppress sectarian fighting. Christianity might just remain a branch of Judiasm - or even be re-assimilated into Jewish Orthodoxy.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:21 AM   #3
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Mitraism effectively excluded at least half the population from its practice, so could never do terribly well without significant reforms.

Zoroastrianism, on the other hand...
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Old 05-19-2009, 02:04 AM   #4
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The obvious solution is to rip off Santeria/Voudon and pair each Greco-Roman deity off with an appropriate saint.
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Old 05-19-2009, 03:41 AM   #5
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Im putting toghether a parallel where Alexander dies of old age and the life he never lived is full of glory and sucess.

He consolidates the empire, install new reforms, overall its the brightest society the world has ever seen, science, philosophy, vapor related inventions.

Then Christianity happens, it deeply changes hellenistic society into a more introspective society as social struggles from religious riots occour.

Finally around 320 AD, a huge church reform is made, and they decide that christ is indeed the prophet and son of god, after years of negotations (more like concessions) they create a new pantheon where all the greek gods are picted as servants of the creator, and in it christ is seen as the one with the job to save us.
Each position of power would have a name related to the god that whose portfolio fits it.

I need ideas for the pantheon, and further development of the world technology/politics etc...

I dont even know what year it would be best to play upon

Any ideas ?
Unless you want Jesus in your world to BE the Son of God, it's quite likely that he would not have been born in this timeline. Sooner or later, Alexander would have taken Jerusalem. People who lived in our time line got killed, people who died in ours lived and different people were born.

Monotheism could well be small thing in this world, and looked on as strange by most polytheists.
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:03 AM   #6
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Also consider that many today does not consider Jesus the actual son of god. Or even a Mesias.
He was just a wise man who said many clever things that people even today can learn a lot from. Especially if you look beyond the interpretation of his words that the Catholic church has.
For instance Jesus mentions the location of the heavens somewhere in Matthew: it is inside of us, and all around us. (It is not a place you go to after you die.)
Of course if you take that direction with Jesus, you should probably know a lot about his actual teachings and preferably also know something about the heretic scriptures (Hag Hamadi or something like that), which are said to be the Testaments of some of Jesus' other disciples.

While most of this angle is all theory and guesses, you could get more info by diving into Dan Brown's FICTIVE "The Da Vinci Code" and much New Age religion-stuff, has this Jesus as a Buddhist angle to it.

But if you do not already know about this stuff, it is probably a bit too much work to take this angle (that Jesus was not the son of God, but just a regular guy who figured out how life and the world really works, and who had healing abilities).
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:38 AM   #7
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Unless you want Jesus in your world to BE the Son of God, it's quite likely that he would not have been born in this timeline. Sooner or later, Alexander would have taken Jerusalem. People who lived in our time line got killed, people who died in ours lived and different people were born.

Monotheism could well be small thing in this world, and looked on as strange by most polytheists.
Alexander already had Jerusalem - it was part of the huge swathes of the Persian Empire that came with his capture of Egypt.
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:42 AM   #8
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I know a fair ammount of info, but im having trouble brainstorming because its too many ideas lol.

Im thinking about going into a hellenistic/buddist philosophy, where they propose to be heaven on earth, and they would be the first empire to abolish slavery greatly because of revolutionary steam machines and in part because empire desired to have a moral upper hand.

Jesus is seen as a phophet and revelator of divine truths, hellenistic religion still is supreme, but buddist aspects are all over it.

With its scientific/moral higher ground and a reason to expand (keep the new flood of ex-slaves with something to do) will push them into a world war.

The question is against who and when ?
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:14 AM   #9
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The question is against who and when ?
Rome? Carthage? The growing powers of northern Asia? China? The rest of India? Some kind of Ibero-Gallic/Celtic power?

An alternative use for the slaves might well be to use them as Hellenising colonists in more remote parts of the empire.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:26 AM   #10
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Good idea, probably the new world will be made mostly of freed slaves from the greek empire struggling against indians with some exotic twist
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