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You aren't a Buddhist, man. Buddhism, in the way you understand it, is only a toy for your mind. As your enthusiasm for transhumanism (BTW, both things aren't compatible), and many other things. Have fun. BTW, I'm not angered with you, tantric, but you are. PM yourself if you want.
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12-29-2009, 08:03 AM | #52 | |
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12-29-2009, 08:16 AM | #53 |
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Re: [DF] Help with creating a Buddhist cleric and holy warrior
Why would Buddhism be incompatible with Transhumanism? Awakening could be considered a type of transhumanism, since the meaning of transhumanism is very wide.
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Contemporary Transhumanism and Posthumanism, instead, preaches about transmuting the human condition, achieving physical immortality through technological means, which implies the immortality of the ego even if it's "living" in a hardware piece floating in the space, or as some kind of energy (energy is phenomenological and thus directly related to the corporeal and temporal order). Buddhism and metaphysical doctrines/paths destroy the ego, instead keeping it alive forever. Because that, it's utterly incompatible with contemporary (or futuristic) Transhumanism. Opposed goals. This kind of spiritual transhumanism, consists in leaving behind the human condition for realizing the identification with the "supreme principle", although there are no words for "it" because it's non-duality (advaita). In Buddhism, a reference to such thing is Paranirvana. Once this "state" is reached (the Awakening, Enlightenment or Release), the body remains working until the karmic residue is exhausted, and then dies; the "state", however, is eternal and independent of the body. Certainly this can be explained better, but I'm a bit tired and short of time.
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12-29-2009, 09:51 AM | #55 |
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Re: [DF] Help with creating a Buddhist cleric and holy warrior
Oops, I posted in General Chatter before reading demonbane's rebuff. I'm not sure it matters. Am I the only one who has difficulty parsing his posts? I'm trying, but wow, it's one thing not to be fluent in English, that I can work with, but unintelligible is universal. Entonces, si quieres, podemes continuar ese discusion en espanol, pero mi keyboard no se funcionar en la moda internacional.
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12-29-2009, 08:29 PM | #56 |
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Re: [DF] Help with creating a Buddhist cleric and holy warrior
demonsbane: Awww, don't run away. I've never actually spoken to someone who believes as you do. I find it fascinating. I'm dead serious about wanting to talk to you. I'm the guy who gets excited when Mormons knock on his door. A few of those conversations have been really interesting (the Mormons who actually know their theology enough to compare it to others).
In case you didn't notice, I had a rather public falling out with Transhumanism, and I actually agree with you in your stance - the materialistic nature of transhumanism and its goal of immortality via technology are fundamentally incompatible with Buddhism - though that's not related to my personal disenchantment with TH. Last edited by tantric; 12-29-2009 at 08:36 PM. |
12-29-2009, 11:13 PM | #57 |
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Re: [DF] Help with creating a Buddhist cleric and holy warrior
Maybe we should look at this from a different perspective. Starting with the DF background which is a PC who kills things and takes their stuff and then creating a Buddhist rationale for doing so. So in this case the Buddhist monk/cleric would use his/her state of enlightenment to be able to use supernatural powers to kill things and take their stuff. All of the religious fluff would be added to create a more interesting PC. I like the idea of having the Buddhist be able to turn demons into flowers because this has flair to it. Maybe this would be a power that would be resisted by HT? And maybe the Buddhist could use his enlightenment to create a barrior around him protecting him from hostile attacks. Who knows but a DF character like this would be interesting to me.
EDIT: I would like to add that being here in Thailand and seing all of the wats here just screams DF coolness. The temples are just so cool and there are all sorts of guardian animals like serpents and nagas and also so much intricate design in the statues and altars. Plus seing all of the monks walking around it gives me the idea of having a bad*ss Buddhist monk wearing only his orange robe and then using his enlightenment to kick some butt. Last edited by b-dog; 12-29-2009 at 11:19 PM. |
12-30-2009, 12:46 AM | #58 |
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Well, as a code of ethics, let's start with this: the Sohei has the One True Dharma. He is Trained by a Master, and anyone who isn't part of his lineage of Masters is preaching heresy. It is perfectly okay to attack other religions, because they lack the One True Dharma, and are thus propagating lies. It's like tough love - if you have true compassion for a person, you will do whatever it takes to get him to see the True Path, even if that means smacking him around a bit.
Their supernatural powers are 100% based on Trained by a Master - they are handed down directly from teacher to student. Other people who have magic or powers practice tricks without understanding - only those of the Sohei's lineage, who have been personally confirmed, can use these powers correctly, and, because of their lineage, they inherently cannot use those powers incorrectly. When the Sohei walks into a lair of kobolds and kills them and takes their stuff, it's all good because he has a divine mandate - he cannot do wrong. Many will criticize him for his actions, but that is meaningless, for they do not have Pure Understanding. The Sohei is utterly devoted to his temple and his ultimate Master. His first and foremost goal is the ending of other misbeliefs. He, himself, is pious and devoted to Right Action, and the fact that he can express supernatural powers is the only justification needed - he literally cannot do wrong. This does not imply a life of gluttony and greed - in fact, he is almost ascetic in his devotions. Okay, working on it, more later |
12-30-2009, 02:56 AM | #59 |
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Re: [DF] Help with creating a Buddhist cleric and holy warrior
Okay. As many reported posts as this thread has generated is too many. Closed.
Tantric and Demonsbane This is an Official warning, cool the heat down or you'll be taking a vacation from these boards.
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