Lord of the Rings Elven Racial Template

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Gavynn

Very nice - being incorporated.

Could you post the latest version please?

[Gavynn]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

Could you post the latest version please?

Ask and thou shalt receive...

Avari
Total Point Cost: 234

Attribute Adjustments
+1 Dexterity [20]

Languages
Tribal Langage (Native/Fully Literate) [0]

Advantages and Perks
Talent (Woodcrafty) +1 [5] (B.90)

Disadvantages and Quirks
Mildly Xenophobic [-1]

Vanyar
Total Point Cost: 285

Attribute Adjustments
+1 Strength [10]
+1 Dexterity [20]
+1 Intelligence [20]
+1 Health [10]

Languages
Common Eldarin (Native/Fully Literate) [0]

Advantages and Perks
Charisma +1 [5] (B.41)
Blessed [10] (B.40)

Features
"Evil" personal traits are disallowed [0]

[b]Noldor[b]
Total Point Cost: 298

Attribute Adjustments
+1 Strength [10]
+1 Dexterity [20]
+1 Intelligence [20]
+1 Health [10]

Languages
Quenya (Native/Fully Literate) [0]
Sindarin (Native/Fully Literate) [4]
Westron (Native/Fully Literate) [4]

Advantages and Perks
Strong Will +2 [10] (B.16)
Social Regard +2 [10] (B.86)
Language Talent [10] (B.65)

Disadvantages and Quirks
Sense of Duty (Noldor) [-10] (B.153)

Sylvan
Total Point Cost: 249

Attribute Adjustments
+1 Dexterity [20]

Languages
Sindarin (Native/Fully Literate) [0]
Westron (Native/Fully Literate) [6]

Advantages and Perks
Talent (Woodcrafty) +2 [20]
Terrain Adaption (Woodland) [5]
Sense of Duty (Nature) [-10]
Mildy Xenophobic [-1]

All Elves

Advantages and Perks
Increased Perception +5 [25] (B.16)
Telescopic Vision x5 [25] (B.92)
Appearance (Atractive) [4] (B.21)
Regeneration (Slow) [10] (B.80)
Never Scars [1]
Unaging [15] (B.95)
Immunity to Sickness [15]
Sanitized Metabolism [1]
Danger Sense [15] (B.47)
Combat Reflexes [15] (B.43)
Magery Level Zero [5] (B.66)
+3 to Stealth Skill [6]
+3 to Light Walk [6]
Talent (Animal Friend) +4 [20]
Temperature Tolerance [2] (B.93)
Does not Sleep [20] (B.50)
Fearless +3 [6] (B.55)
Perfect Balance [15] (B.74)
Edict Memory [5] (B.51)
Does not fear the ghosts of Men [0]

Disadvantages and Quirks
Distrust of Dwarves [-1]
Sensitive Ears [-1]



I think I need remove the “Distrust of Dwarves” quick from the Noldor and Avari (and possibly Vanyar templates). Also, I need to come up with the point value for being “Immune to the Ghosts of Men”.

As always, thanks to everyone who has offered their comments/criticism/insight.

[Dienekes]

Originally Posted by Gavynn

I think I need remove the “Distrust of Dwarves” quick from the Noldor and Avari (and possibly Vanyar templates).

IIRC, it was the refugees from the Noldorin city of Ost-in-Edhil that were slaughtered after the western doors of Moria were shut in their faces, and that was the biggest gripe Third Age Eldar had about dwarves. Plus, Galadriel compliments Gimli as though he were an exception to commonly held and unkind beliefs about dwarves. While I don't recall the Avari having a direct beef, I've always held it to be a race-wide prejudice. (If my fair-voiced distant Noldor cousins told me how Moria got its name, I'd probably think ill of the little hairy so-and-so's.) The Vanyar, OTOH, have never lived in Middle Earth, and anyway seem somehow beyond racial prejuduce.

Regarding the Vanyar: if the "superhuman" characteristics of the Calaquendi are due to their direct exposure to the Maiar and Valar, or perhaps to Aman itself, what then of a branch of elves that never left that exposure? (Let alone for the embarassingly low-caliber reasons for the Noldor exodus.) Specialties like the Noldor skill in crafts or the Sindar skill in song aside, it seems that the Vanyar ought to be inherently greater, somehow. Elves Plus. Certainly, ICE statted them out that way. In Lord of ME Vol. 1, the King of the Vanyar (forgot his name) could have started for the Maiar Junior Varsity.

[Kelly Pedersen]

Originally Posted by Gavynn

Very interesting. If you know that that Thranduil built is hall in imitation of Thingol's capital, then I will certainly work off that.

Sorry it took so long to respond to this - I was moving, and my books were packed. :-) Anyway, in Unfinished Tales, in Appendix B of "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn", it mentions "Thranduil... was following the example of King Thingol long before, in Doriath".
Of course, stuff from Unfinished Tales can be a bit sketchy, as they represent, often, a number of incomplete and sometimes contradictory manuscripts, but absent a clear contradiction of this, I'd say it's reasonable evidence that Thranduil was imitating Thingol.

[TheQuestionMan]

Great work Gavynn as always.


Thank you for the LotR Templates


QM

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Gavynn

Noldor
+1 Strength [10]

I was looking at ICE’s MERP and Noldor are listed there as:
Male
Height 6’7”
Weight 215lbs

Female
Height 6’3”
Weight 175lbs

Looking at the Build table (Basic p. 18) that suggests:
ST 14 for the males (170+270=440, 440/2 =220 putting them nearly in the middle of the weight range for ST 14).

ST 12 for the males (140+220=360, 360/2 =180 putting them nearly in the middle of the weight range for ST 12).

For a racial average of ST 13.

Originally Posted by Gavynn

Danger Sense [15] (B.47)

Why do all elves get Danger Sense?

[Vaevictis Asmadi]

Wow, very long thread... I'll read it, but in the meantime here's my very unfinished attempt:

(Size Modifier Tall, Light Build)
DX +4
HT +10
IQ +2 (because IQ also represents general experience)
Acute Vision +3
Appearance (Attractive)
Eidetic Memory (not sure what level)
Fading, The
Fit
Flashbacks 1 (part of the Memory)
Language Talent
Late Maturation 3 (50 years to adulthood)
Less Sleep (not sure what level)
Light Sleeper
Perk (Ambidextrous Writer)
Very Rapid Healing
Resistant to Disease +8
Telescopic Vision 6
Temperature Tolerance (not sure what level)
Unaging
Voice
Will +8 (limitation: does not apply to controlling mental disadvantages)

The Fading is the unique Elvish way of aging, which however goes very very slowly. Therefore I would give it at most -1 points.

[Vaevictis Asmadi]

OK, I finally got around to reading this thread. I have a lot of posts I'd like to reply to, and I planned to post all my replies in one post, but I have to relinquish this computer shortly, so the rest of my replies will have to wait till tomorrow. Anyway, sorry it took me such a long time.

Originally Posted by Dienekes

IIRC, it was the refugees from the Noldorin city of Ost-in-Edhil that were slaughtered after the western doors of Moria were shut in their faces, and that was the biggest gripe Third Age Eldar had about dwarves. Plus, Galadriel compliments Gimli as though he were an exception to commonly held and unkind beliefs about dwarves. While I don't recall the Avari having a direct beef, I've always held it to be a race-wide prejudice. (If my fair-voiced distant Noldor cousins told me how Moria got its name, I'd probably think ill of the little hairy so-and-so's.) The Vanyar, OTOH, have never lived in Middle Earth, and anyway seem somehow beyond racial prejuduce.

IIRC, the dislike between dwarves and elves was mostly because the dwarves destroyed Doriath and killed lots of elves, including Elu Thingol. But this wasn't an all-inclusive racial emnity. It was only between Eldar (Sindar, Noldor, and Nandor) and the dwarves of Moria (which includes the descendants of refugee dwarves from Beleriand). Even then, individual Eldar such as Galadriel, Celebrimbor, and Legolas had positive views towards dwarves. Avari, or eastern dwarves, would not feel this emnity at all.

Originally Posted by Dienekes

Regarding the Vanyar: if the "superhuman" characteristics of the Calaquendi are due to their direct exposure to the Maiar and Valar, or perhaps to Aman itself, what then of a branch of elves that never left that exposure? (Let alone for the embarassingly low-caliber reasons for the Noldor exodus.) Specialties like the Noldor skill in crafts or the Sindar skill in song aside, it seems that the Vanyar ought to be inherently greater, somehow. Elves Plus. Certainly, ICE statted them out that way. In Lord of ME Vol. 1, the King of the Vanyar (forgot his name) could have started for the Maiar Junior Varsity.

Vanyar ought to get the same Calaquende lens as first-generation Noldorin Exiles. Although unless you are playing a game set in Aman, I'm not sure why Vanya stats would be relevant.
Amanyar (sometimes semi-pejoritively called Moriquendi) would simply lack the advantages of the Calaquende lens.

[Kelly Pedersen]

Originally Posted by Agemegos

Luthien is indeed an exception, but Arwen is descended from Indis of the Vanyar (Finwë's second wife) through both her mother and her father

That's a good point. Mind you, the bloodline is fairly thin at that point - Arwen was only 3/64 Vanyar (assuming I've done my math right).

Originally Posted by Agemegos

Unless you count half-Vanyar such as Fingolfin.

That's true, but I think it's notable that, of the royal houses of the Noldor, the least noble, in general, was the one most purely of Noldor blood - Feanor's. Both Fingolfin and Finarfin, and their kids, seem to have been better people overall.

[Kelly Pedersen]

Originally Posted by Agemegos

Yes. Tolkien was deeply ambivalent to people who could actually make things.

It's true, isn't it... Mind you, he seems to display the Noldor as much more active than either the Vanyar or the Teleri - Noldor went out and did things, Vanyar hung around in Aman singing songs to the Valar, and the Teleri gadded about in boats. So, really, the best Noldor ended up being those who combined the nobility of spirit of the Vanyar with the active drive of the Noldor.