10-27-2017, 03:12 PM | #11 |
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Re: House rules feedback
Races are fairly controlled events though, with lots of rules and regulations to protect the drivers. I think on the open road most deaths are still by motorcycle.
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10-27-2017, 03:55 PM | #12 |
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10-27-2017, 06:02 PM | #13 | |
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Most cycle-racing fatalities have resulted from the deceased either getting run over by another bike; or hitting a solid object at a substantial clip; or just-plain hitting the pavement at the wrong angle. Most of these are *not* "sideswipe"-type collisions.... (I'd provide links to YouTube videos, but this is a Family-Friendly Forum; so the web searches for such incidents is left as an exercise for the reader.) So one doesn't really need a "house rule" for this -- just understand what happens when a cyclist dismounts a bike at-speed; it isn't necessarily the cyclist slamming into a solid object at full-tilt.
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10-28-2017, 03:19 AM | #14 |
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"A driver or passenger may jump from a moving vehicle. Roll for
damage as if the jumper were hit by a vehicle (with a damage modifier of 1) going 10 mph slower than the vehicle was going. The jumper lands in any adjacent square, and may move and/or fire beginning the next turn." Given you only have 3DPs though your outcomes are somewhat digital. Dead, Incapacitated, Injured or unharmed. You really need to be getting your speed into the 15mph and below to stand a reasonable chance of survival. Unless you are doing 25 or less you are going to take a full dice of damage and that is likely to be fatal, at 45 and above you are taking 2 dice and that is almost guaranteed to be fatal and at minimum incapacitation. CW doesn't recognise abrasion damage, it only deals with impact damage and BA doesn't protect against that in any way. There is no damage for leathers to protect against. Any dismount is considered a hard impact. You might consider the Kevlar panels in RL leathers to be some form of impact armour, but impact armour in the game is no comparison. There is no mechanism to determine if you sideswipe the road or land on your head so you are going to have to house rule something. The rule above doesn't consider damage from sliding (you are stationary in the square next to the bike). It also assumes a voluntary dismount, but as there is no rule that throws a cyclist from the bike this is fine. You might consider that when you slide off on bend, in reality you don't inherit the full forward speed you had before the slide (plus at that point even race bikes are moving at more reasonable speeds). If you take a vector view, the relevant component might move the impact speed into the 1d or less survivability zone. However you do it, a house rule is going to be necessary. Last edited by swordtart; 10-28-2017 at 03:37 AM. |
10-28-2017, 07:17 AM | #15 | |
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11-17-2017, 05:00 PM | #16 |
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: London, UK
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Due to the lack of effective Pedestrian Firepower ( especially against Military Vehicles ) , we've upped the damage by many Ped Rocket weapons by 1 Dice . Reading the 'State of the Art Part 1' from ADQ #7/2 & the weapons description in AutoDuel Second Edition , it's clear that something was off . Thus VLAW: 2d , LAW: 3d , Bazooka: 4d , HLAW: 4d , Heavy Bazooka: 5d . Stingers , Man Portable MMLs & RLs plus Gyrosluggers are unaffected . We also allow Man Portable Heavy Recoilless Rifles from the NOVA pages in Military Games . Works incredibly well & helps stop Peds from hiding all the time & using IDUs and other boobytraps etc . Still everything short of MPHRR or Missile Launcher bouncing off anything of Heavy Armoured Car or 40 Space Tank size or larger can be incredibly frustrating for those on foot ...
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11-18-2017, 07:10 AM | #17 |
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Hmm, I would have lowered the cost rather than increase the damage.
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11-18-2017, 11:22 PM | #18 | |
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Also from Military selection , cost of Hi-Res Telescopic Sights dropped from $4,000 to $1,500 ( considering standard Telescopic Sights are only $150 .... ) , and mentioned in Tanks/Tanks Article text item but never statted Hi-Res Binoculars $500 - +$300 to make them IR or +$100 to make LiteAmp™ . Also our own items added : Swiss Army Knife $5 , Deluxe Swiss Army Knife $10 , Super Swiss Army Knight ( with Laser Pointer & Lock Picks etc ) $40 , Mini MediKits $50-$100 and Metal Detector/Hi-Res Metal Detector $500 & $2,000 respectively . All have been hugely useful in our Games & Campaigns . Hope others would like to use them & will happily post stats when I've got the time :-)
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11-18-2017, 11:53 PM | #19 | |
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Consider, for example, what a pickup full of pedestrians using you up-powered VLAWs will do to your typical dueling car. Or a dozen with body armor, a riot shield (to help against burst effects), and 3 VLAWs ($1600 each). At 2d each, that's a lot of damage. I'd definitely consider your upgraded bazooka and a sunroof as a cheap high-damage turret option for cheap cars. At the high end of the damage spectrum, don't forger that crew can fire hand weapons from regular cars and cycles. How about a cycle carrying a passenger (no extra space) with some of these weapons rather than regular vehicular weapons? A lot of vehicular weapons are marginal already. Upping the damage makes the pedestrian weapons a LOT better. Making pedestrian weapons nastier has a lot of side effects, particularly for the more devious designers. There's also the reaction to the increase in damage - add more armor. We're talking about military vehicles here. Arms race. And tanks have more room to get nastier. If you're seriously dead-set on increasing the dice, you probably need to increase their cost too. FWIW, I'd recommend just creating a military explosive upgrade for the various weapons that ups their damage (maybe +2 or even +3 per die) with some sort of major cost increase - 10, 20, or even 30 times normal cost doesn't seem unreasonable.
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05-04-2018, 03:43 AM | #20 |
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Some mods we've started to use recently : Explosive Rounds for Vehicular Shotguns ; reducing weight & cost of Lasers to move them into Tech Level 8 and make them viable option for experienced players again ; Matra type Rocket Pods for Air-to-Ground strafing Attacks ; dedicated 'Fighter' body types for Mircoplanes & Airplanes ; tweaking Helicopter stats and adding 'Military' body option for them at +100% cost - this allows for 'chin mounted' Sponson Turrets & rearranging Spaces/Cargo Spaces ratios etc ; Custom built dedicated Rally Cars - NASCAR has also been thought about , but isn't well known in the UK .
Drones have also been discussed at length , but this would be such a game changer to standard Car Wars that it'll be beyond the scope of the 14-18 regular players in our groups . Discussing at length with Military type friends & associates , and the modern tech shown on the net & programs like Future Weapons , it's clear that both Aeroduel and Car Wars: Tanks need to be totally rewritten and greatly expanded to reflect current reality to a reasonable degree ? Putin's new über Tank the T-14 is bloody scary : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata And in it's ultimate planned form , even more terrifying : https://thediplomat.com/2015/04/puti...eadliest-tank/
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