01-30-2018, 07:55 AM | #41 | |
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The exact mechanism for assigning the number will be something people want to manipulate. How are the numbers assigned? We must run analysis to ensure that an equal number of men and women are assigned to each group! Lets use the first two numbers instead of the last two! Is there a difference in how naturalized citizens are assigned numbers as opposed to born citizens? Packing, cracking, and redistributing are still very possible. And I suppose packing and cracking are one thing they could call their versions of gerrymandering. The devil is always in the details. This could work with large enough districts, but at that point you're dealing with a military alliance rather than a system of government. My alternate take on this would be to restrict ownership to within districts and limit contracts by time. A company can only own land, factories, and goods within the borders of their district. You can set up a web of contracts to build an alliance, but the ability of people to walk away (short term contracts only) keeps that from becoming too stable. you probably need to nerf copyright law as well.
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01-30-2018, 10:39 AM | #42 | |
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Then there's the old Soviet system of internal passports, where movement between different cities required hard-to-obtain bureaucratic permission.
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01-30-2018, 05:04 PM | #43 | |
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01-30-2018, 05:15 PM | #44 |
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Well, it's probably possible to do stone age subsistence agriculture without long range trade, and sufficiently large districts could manage more advanced technology.
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01-30-2018, 07:11 PM | #45 | |
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One version I used myself was that any member of the Councilio Civium(basically any citizen)was subject to be chosen as a "Lotman" or "Lotwoman". Depending on the constitution of the local or federal government they would be inserted into the legislature or the electors for temporary elections(like a new Doge, say), or whatever depending on local circumstance. The Lotfolk are only one aspect of what is intended to be a highly convoluted system that maintains balance between various interests and part of the fun I get is putting in all sorts of interesting "stuff" to satisfy myself.
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01-30-2018, 07:28 PM | #46 | |
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Additionally recurring shares can be given as a reward for service to the state. For instance having a clan member perform some feat. Or just having the clan win the militia exercise.
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01-30-2018, 07:53 PM | #47 | |
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01-30-2018, 07:59 PM | #48 | |
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That was of public right, As much as two strong oxen Could plow from morn till night. . . . Macaulay, "Horatius"
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01-30-2018, 08:20 PM | #49 |
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One I found interesting was of replacing the welfare state with a network of endowments.
Most of the taxes are levied by vote of the Tribunes(elected by the citizens in general, one citizen one vote) and distributed by the Senate(representing the clans in the form of a joint stock corporation as described above). Except the stuff that isn't(whatever). So far so good. Now instead of making a welfare state it is the custom, once enough has gone into security and infrastructure to hand it to the "Vidoges"(something like nobles only not), for "adornment and benevolence"(basically prettying up the city and helping out with loose ends, like clanless folk, unlucky people, generic whatevers). Basically it is intended for what Plunkitt called "honest graft". The Vidoge(presumably in conference with local community leaders and whatever) will endow the money on something or other like a park or a hospital and of course will get his name on it. After a term there will be an audit which decides which Vidoge has done best. This audit decides where the next issue of funds goes, who gets their name broadcast and who gets the most bonus reward for a privy purse. The advantage I see is that it gives the administrators a direct interest in the funds being used efficiently where they are used. The disadvantage is that it will make for an unequal distribution, and now that I think of it might well favor the better parts of town(where of course the well-off will compete to live). Some of this was borrowed from Jane Jacob's concepts of "Ostentation" and "Largesse". I realized comparing the American and British system that a frank aristocracy does that aspect of government more gracefully than others. I also realized from history that aristocratic systems are often to brutal if they are given any other aspect of state to care for.
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01-30-2018, 09:36 PM | #50 | |
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It could work, at least for a while, if the component units were themselves big enough to be semi-self-sufficient. Nor would it necessarily ban all inter-unit business, as I suggested, permits for such would exist, it would just be hard to get. Nor would trade in raw materials necessarily be prevented by prevention of inter-jurisdictional ownership. Granted, as I said, it would be incredibly inefficient.
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