[WWII] The Sieg rifle

[vierasmarius]

Originally Posted by copeab

In semi-automatic fire, there is negligible difference between # shots and # attacks.

In automatic fire ... yeah, there is a difference.

Hmm. This implies that automatic fire should have a lower malf rating than semi-automatic.

[acrosome]

That's actually not totally odd... A lot of fully-automatic weapons start having more failures if you fire many short bursts (or single shots) as compared to fewer longer bursts. I guess the many short bursts adds more mechanical complexity (the trigger mechanism, sear, etc.) than just holding the trigger down. So, yes, as a general rule when just firing away on fully-automatic you will get fewer stoppages per round fired, compared with firing on fully-auto. Until the bolt seizes from carbon buildup or the barrel melts, or whatever.

But, yes, I was referring to one failure per 50 single shots earlier. Assuming ROF 10 fired fully automatic that would be one failure every 500 rounds, which is a much closer to reality for most modern weapons.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by copeab

In semi-automatic fire, there is negligible difference between # shots and # attacks.

In automatic fire ... yeah, there is a difference.

A factor of 3 is negligible? Or are you assuming slow-paced semi-automatic fire?

[copeab]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

A factor of 3 is negligible? Or are you assuming slow-paced semi-automatic fire?

4e must handle semi-auto fire quite differently from 3e, then.

In 3e it was one roll per pull of the trigger in semi-auto fire, which was effectively one roll per bullet.

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by copeab

4e must handle semi-auto fire quite differently from 3e, then.

It does. You decide how many shots you will fire, and make one roll. A success by a margin less than Rcl is one hit; a success by a margin of Rcl or more, but less than 2*Rcl is two hits, and so on, to a maximum of the number of shots fired.

[Apache]

So this thing could probably be handled as a bullpup M-14, with a crappier Malfunction roll to simulate the teething problems it (possibly) could have had.

Works for me.

Definitely looks cool.

[Apache]

Originally Posted by johndallman

It does. You decide how many shots you will fire, and make one roll. A success by a margin less than Rcl is one hit; a success by a margin of Rcl or more, but less than 2*Rcl is two hits, and so on, to a maximum of the number of shots fired.

Yeah, it's part of the 4e philosophy to reduce the amount of die rolling in combat. I find it works pretty well, actually.