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Old 01-26-2012, 11:17 AM   #1
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Default [WWII] The Sieg rifle

This rather unusual (and very obscure) firearm was designed by James E/ Sieg of the US Coast Guard after the end of WWII. It was a selective fire rifle in bullpup configuration chambered for same .30-06 round. Aside from it's compactness (about 8.5” shorter than the M-1 Garand), it was also designed to have as few protrusions as possible. The front and rear sights folded down. It had no permanent grip for the firing hand, instead using the 20-round magazine for this purpose. The safety and magazine release were controlled by the same level. A two-part trigger was used, the upper part for semi-automatic fire and the lower part for fully automatic fire. Finally, it had a compensator (muzzle brake) that was alleged to be so effective that the rifle could be fired one-handed comfortably. The compensator was designed to still allow the mounting of a bayonet, grenade launcher attachment, or flash hider.

Nothing came of the prototype. This was likely because the war was just over and several million M-1 Garands and M-1 carbines were on hand. Additionally, the Seig rifle probably had far too many unusual features for it's own good. Whatever the reason, the rifle faded into the mists of history.

In an alternate history campaign, where the rifle was developed earlier or the war lasted longer, it might have some use as a weapon for paratroopers or mechanized infantry (especially if the APCs were fully enclosed). It might also be attractive to special operations units.

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Malf Crit, Dam 7d+1, SS 13, Acc 10, 1/2D 1,000, Max 4,600, Wt 12.1, AWt 1.6, RoF 11*, ST 12, Rcl -1, Hold -5, Cost $200

Design note: I think the combined lever for the safety and magazine release and the two part trigger would cause no ends of problems under combat stress and probably be replaced by more conventional components before entering production, although game stats would remain unchanged. The lack of a real grip for the firing hand would probably give at least a -1 to Guns skill. Most of the impressive performance of the gun comes from the compensator. If it didn't work was well as claimed (or wasn't attached), performance would suffer: Rcl -2 with more realistic effects, ST 12, Rcl -3, Cost $100 with it removed.

There appears to be only one photo of the gun
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:25 AM   #2
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In any even remotely Illuminated campaign it couldn´t be a coincidence that the name of the person the rifle was named after means victory in German.
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:29 AM   #3
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This is one cool-looking rifle. If I ever get around to my alt-WW2 campaign in any form, I'll have to find a way to make this gun show up.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:07 PM   #4
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The compensator was deigned to still allow the mounting of a bayonet, grenade launcher attachment, or flash hider.
If I understand what I've read correctly, the compensator had to be deactivated (but not removed) to mount a flash hider. If that's correct, Rcl would probably increase when so equipped.

And if the safety lever remains unmodified, I might require a roll to quickly release the safety under stress, with a critical failure ejecting the magazine.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:56 PM   #5
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some TL8 bull-up rifles suffer from Malf 16, imagine a TL6 bull-up.
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Old 01-26-2012, 04:24 PM   #6
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some TL8 bull-up rifles suffer from Malf 16, imagine a TL6 bull-up.
Name three apart from the L85.
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:27 PM   #7
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Name three apart from the L85.
M17S (Bushmaster)

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More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bullpup_firearms
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:18 PM   #8
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some TL8 bull-up rifles suffer from Malf 16, imagine a TL6 bull-up.
Using the magazine as the grip probably has a more severe effect on Malf.

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M17S (Bushmaster)

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More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bullpup_firearms
I think he was focusing on "have a Malf. of 16"
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:45 AM   #9
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I think he was focusing on "have a Malf. of 16"
Yeah, that was it.
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Old 01-31-2012, 03:13 AM   #10
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L85A1, L86A1 and F88.

That's three; although two are really variations on the same gun and the F88 is apparently as reliable as a normal AUG now.

The Bushmaster's springs didn't like even moderate round counts. Only took about 500 rounds to wear a set. I got sick of replacing mine.
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