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Re: [DF] How Many Abilities Should A Race Get?
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I think I'll take the oppurtunity to remind people that we're discussing a non-evil, non-demonic, PC race. |
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10-01-2019, 06:48 AM | #23 |
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Re: [DF] How Many Abilities Should A Race Get?
IIRC, the Healing Advantage has difficulty curing diseases, so given a succubus’ likely activities, some degree of Resistant to Disease (perhaps even outright immunity) would be appropriate, and plays well with their “energy of creation can be used to heal” theme. You can optionally restrict it to only affect STI’s/STD’s; I’d assume that is one category less common than diseases in general. I’m not certain exactly what happens if a character under the effects of something Resistant would work against suddenly gains Resistance, but if it’s a reroll to eliminate the status, putting Affects Others on a succubus’ Resistant would be quite useful (optionally, apply a Limitation to the Enhancement so it requires intimate contact of some sort).
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On the other hand, think of an occupational template. You could simply say any female could become (for example) a priest of Astarte; that they are granted special powers (GURPS - Divine Favors) such as the ones you want to represent, because they serve a goddess of fertility, sex and war. Then it would be understandable, that the cult does not allow men at all (or just very few).
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10-01-2019, 07:40 PM | #25 |
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Re: [DF] How Many Abilities Should A Race Get?
FWIW, GURPS Fantasy has a template for Lilith, a Hebrew demon who might have been the prototype for the Succubus legend. It would make a good basis for a DF Succubus monster or PC race.
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*What is the correct term for a template/lens that can be applied to multiple races? Another example of such would be a werewolf, in settings where humans, elves, dwarves, etc are all susceptible to becoming such.
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10-01-2019, 09:51 PM | #27 |
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Re: [DF] How Many Abilities Should A Race Get?
Succubus derives from the Latin for 'lying beneath' while incubus derives from the Latin for 'laying upon'. Anyone who lies beneath during intimate activity could be a succubus (female or male) while anyone who lies upon during intimate activity could be an incubus (male or female), so they are technically gender neutral terms (though the original intent was not gender neutral).
The first incubus listed in literature was Lilu, Gilgamesh's father, while the first succubus was much later, 14th century AD, with a late medieval attribution to Lilith. The association with the ancient Lilim was a conflation of two related concepts, but it is ahistorical, as it happened long after the belief in Lilim ended. Strangely enough, intimate activity with a succubus was supposed to be quite unpleasant, though modern interpretations tend to make such activity rapturous instead. |
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This is just an hypothesis, but I believe this particularly modern material has drawn ideas from the Dark-Stalkers series, thus falling in what I previously talked about regarding Morrigan Aesland and japanese character design. Still, the author seems to have kept some of the basic attributes that make up for the "traditional" succubus, such as being some sort of demon and draining vital force (but lacks the basic part of doing it during sex). So, said "cubi" falls into the "psionic vampire" class. Quote:
IMO, there is a quintessential element that defines the meaning of the words/names for things. When you talk about simple stones, do you picture soft clay? What do you think about when you talk about fire? Is it luminous and freezing? Any author is free to name whatever they want as they wish within their universes. It's their freedom of creation, and I understand it. But there will be contradictions when striping basic elements of an established concept, and these contradictions may lead to confusions, (such as the confusion here regarding the "cubi" as succubus, while they are in fact "psionic vampires"). If this is about the succubus/incubus, what should it be? A demon that drains life force during sex. If it lacks either of these two, it becomes something else... it could be an alien, la furia, the chupacabra, a "lude" (vampire), a sídhe etc. So, if we talk about the succubus, then the abilities should be as demonic as they may, dark and most probably sexual. The number of abilities would depend on the CP budget of the character, but a cheap template should (ideally) include traits that link the concept with the (already existing) construct. And these are the ones I tried to assess. However, it seems this is about linking a concept with a conception. Hence I suggested the job template "priestess of Astarte", because (following the job template idea) I think it is easier digesting that people (within the OP universe) nicknamed the female priestess "succubus" since they share a few traits with real ones (such as "laying beneath" or "laying upon"). Etymology is good, but it is a partial element, it does not encompasses the full idea.
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The problem with this is that now your character is sexually attractive to EVERYTHING, EVEN THINGS WHICH DON'T EXPERIENCE SEXUAL ATTRACTION, if you can't see the problem with this there's something wrong with you. Quote:
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10-02-2019, 12:47 AM | #30 |
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What is defined as an Incubus och Succubus is wholly up to the author. Obviously people may call bull on it if it is too far departed, considering how many things are associated with those creature getting some bare minimum should be trivial.
It's a bit like how any blood-drinker can, and often will be called a vampire. F.ex. Demonic Succubus: Appearance: Attractive or better; DR (Fire); Flight (Winged); Magery 0 Social Stigma: Monster Qualifies as a Demon. Make fire comparable to a mundane lighter at will. Nightmare: Draining (Sleeping victims only, side-effect nightmares); Magery 3 Appearance: Ugly or Worse Spells: Sleep, etc. Perhaps illusions to hide true appearance. Devilish Seducer: Appearance: Beautiful; DR 1*; Charisma 5 (Resistible by Will, Magical); Claws*; Magery 1, Strength+1* Secret (Demon) Qualifies as a Demon. Spells: Mind-related spells. * With temporary disadvantage: (Loses "Appearance: Beautiful", gains "Appearance: Monstrous") (-32%) Etc. Of course, if you try to attach everything related to Succubui/Incubi onto the same template it will get outrageously expensive though.
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