More DFRPG questions: Bonus damage, omens, scrap, and flex armor

[tbone]

More questions, for any souls kind enough to weigh in:

1) In Monsters, hobgoblins and orcs have saw-toothed falchions that appear to inflict normal damage, +1 HP follow-up bleeding damage for the rough edge.
Is this special ability of saw-toothed weapons covered somewhere in GURPS rulesdom, or is this a one-off rule?
(If the latter: No complaints here; I like my standardized, unified rules at least as much as the next geek, but one-off oddities aren't out of place in the DF genre. That said: If saw-toothed weapons offer this damage bonus for free, won't every PC want one?)

2) Also in Monsters, skeletons appear to do thr damage (1d-1 for ST11) with a small shield, which looks fine. But they also appear to do thr damage with a "Bony Claw", when a punch should be thr-1 damage. Brawling skill isn't high enough to account for the extra damage.
Is there something that accounts for the extra damage? Maybe it's the "bony" that does it; is that a part of skeleton-related rules elsewhere in GURPS? (It really doesn't matter; just curious.)

3) What is the clerics' trait Divine Omens (14 pts) built fr... Never mind, I just found it: Oracle (BS 72). Next...

4) Exploits 16, under "Scrap", says: "Make one Scrounging roll for the party at the adventure’s end. Success means the junk might be of some value to someone. Failure indicates it really is garbage."

Is the intent here that a) the PCs roll Scrounging while surveying the ruins of dungeon they've defeated, to determine whether there's anything worth hauling back to town; or b) the PCs first haul the scrap back to town, then roll Scrounging to determine whether it's worth something?

(I'm pretty sure it's the former; it makes sense. But should Anyone Official wish to chime in with "Yes, doofus, that should be obvious...")

5) Am I missing something, or does DFRPG totally leave out rules for flexible armor & blunt trauma? (Given the modest armor DR available in this low-tech setting, leaving these out would seem understandable.)

Thanks, all –

[evileeyore]

1 and 2 are "one offs". If you want an under the hood though...

For the Sawtooth Falchion it's "Orcy Weapons", bandued about a few years ago on the forums. I think it's +1CF and does +1 damage only when wielded by Goblinkin.

The skeles probably just have a level or two of Striking ST (Only for claws).

The scrap rules come straight from DF, and it's "roll after returning to town with all the garbage". It covers those classic party shenanigans like "Well gang, we've half a ton of space on the cart unused and this dungeon is clean... we can strip the torch holders, door accessories, portcullises, and stuff... those are worth something right?"

Am I missing something, or does DFRPG totally leave out rules for flexible armor & blunt trauma?

They are gone. Which means when that Barbarian get's to DR 3 (Tough Skin) his fellow bar-fight participants really start to hate him... (or they just stop punching and start with the improvised weapons)

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by tbone

More questions, for any souls kind enough to weigh in:

1) In Monsters, hobgoblins and orcs have saw-toothed falchions that appear to inflict normal damage, +1 HP follow-up bleeding damage for the rough edge.
Is this special ability of saw-toothed weapons covered somewhere in GURPS rulesdom, or is this a one-off rule?
(If the latter: No complaints here; I like my standardized, unified rules at least as much as the next geek, but one-off oddities aren't out of place in the DF genre. That said: If saw-toothed weapons offer this damage bonus for free, won't every PC want one?)

I'm pretty sure the only "publication history" on that kind of thing is out of the thread on funky ethnic keen fantasy weapon modifiers from the main GURPS forum a year or two back. Written by Kromm at the time, along with some other fun ideas. Can't find it at the moment, but I believe it was Orcish although I can't remember the exact mechanics (Kromm and I both posted in the thread, may help with Google search). I seem to recall that it definitely comes with social penalties.

Originally Posted by tbone

2) Also in Monsters, skeletons appear to do thr damage (1d-1 for ST11) with a small shield, which looks fine. But they also appear to do thr damage with a "Bony Claw", when a punch should be thr-1 damage. Brawling skill isn't high enough to account for the extra damage.
Is there something that accounts for the extra damage? Maybe it's the "bony" that does it; is that a part of skeleton-related rules elsewhere in GURPS? (It really doesn't matter; just curious.)

Nope, it's the "Claw" that does it. That's Blunt Claws right there I'm going to bet.

Originally Posted by tbone

Is the intent here that a) the PCs roll Scrounging while surveying the ruins of dungeon they've defeated, to determine whether there's anything worth hauling back to town; or b) the PCs first haul the scrap back to town, then roll Scrounging to determine whether it's worth something?

(I'm pretty sure it's the former; it makes sense. But should Anyone Official wish to chime in with "Yes, doofus, that should be obvious...")

I'd actually go with the latter, representing as much finding a buyer for your junk as anything. You really only have to take a long look at ebay to see that someone somewhere will buy almost anything - the problem is are they here to buy your stuff right now?

Originally Posted by tbone

5) Am I missing something, or does DFRPG totally leave out rules for flexible armor & blunt trauma?

Didn't miss anything, it's been nixed.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Nope, it's the "Claw" that does it. That's Blunt Claws right there I'm going to bet.

Oh right. I always forget about claw options.

[ravenfish]

There's Orcish Sawtooth Blades in Dungeon Fantasy Treasures 1 under Ethnic Cool Gear that do an additional +1 injury after wounding modifiers, at a +1 cost factor on any cutting weapon. I presume that's the source of the goblins' weapon quality.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by tbone

Is the intent here that a) the PCs roll Scrounging while surveying the ruins of dungeon they've defeated, to determine whether there's anything worth hauling back to town; or b) the PCs first haul the scrap back to town, then roll Scrounging to determine whether it's worth something?

Neither one really, though the second is closer. You are assumed to fill a cart; the scrounging roll determines whether you filled the cart with actually valuable stuff, or just junk.

Originally Posted by tbone

5) Am I missing something, or does DFRPG totally leave out rules for flexible armor & blunt trauma?

It kind of leaves out any situations where it's relevant -- there are no DF flexible armors that have DR 6+, and there are no arm lock, neck snap, or wrench limb attacks (for some reason, flexible armor gets normal DR against constriction attacks).

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Neither one really, though the second is closer. You are assumed to fill a cart; the scrounging roll determines whether you filled the cart with actually valuable stuff, or just junk.

Well, they have to haul the junk back. That's rather required. Actually it's implied you get back to town before the adventure ends, and you roll at the "end of the adventure"...

Really it's simplifying the way DF does it which is two rolls, the Scrounging roll to find something valuable, and the Current Affairs roll to find a buyer. Since in DF they can try selling the junk every week in town (with yet a third skill roll, Propaganda).

It kind of leaves out any situations where it's relevant -- there are no DF flexible armors that have DR 6+...

A Dwarf (DR 1) or Half-Ogre (DR 1) Barbarian (DR 3) wearing leather armor (DR 2)... or really expensive Dragonhide (DR 6+).

Also Mail (DR 4/2) with Leather (DR 2) or Spider Silk (DR 2) under layered.

[tbone]

Thanks, all, for the answers. Yep, there's saw-toothed weapons in Dungeon Fantasy Treasures 1; good find. (It's fun to see how DFRPG picks up interesting little bits and pieces from the DF line and elsewhere.)

It's also a good deal; at just CF +1, I think every fighter is going to want saw-toothed weapons. (Hey, it works in genre; think of it as janky saw teeth on cheap orc blades, and swoopy/spiky "fantasy blade" accouterments on expensive PC blades.)

Skeleton hands: Blunt Claws isn't listed, but it certainly makes sense. Let's assume it's secretly a trait of the skellies. Extra damage accounted for.

Scrap: Hm, I'm really not sure now what the rule's intent is – i.e., whether the Scrounging roll is made at the dungeon (no need to load the wagon if you fail there) or back in town (load 'er up now and take your chances later). Besides, I suppose if a GM really cared, he'd want to make it a matter of both a Scrounging roll (to successfully collect lots of stuff) and a Merchant roll (to sort the valuable junk from the worthless junk), maybe with both rolls affecting the final selling price in town...

Well. Maybe I'll save that sort of pondering for a Scrapyards & Scavengers RPG someday. (Tag line: "Low, low fantasy" : )

[ArchonShiva]

For the ethnic cool weapons, it’s very easy to make that incompatible with Fine and Balanced and others, making it far less desirable.

As for scraps, your suggested approach would mean parties never bring home wagonloads of useless crap, which seems such a shame.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by tbone

Scrap: Hm, I'm really not sure now what the rule's intent is – i.e., whether the Scrounging roll is made at the dungeon (no need to load the wagon if you fail there) or back in town (load 'er up now and take your chances later). Besides, I suppose if a GM really cared, he'd want to make it a matter of both a Scrounging roll (to successfully collect lots of stuff) and a Merchant roll (to sort the valuable junk from the worthless junk), maybe with both rolls affecting the final selling price in town...

As I mentioned, in DF it's as many as three rolls (Scavenge to find something, Current Affair to know of a buyer (no haggling), and Propaganda the next week to drum up a buyer if you failed to find one the previous week).

I suspect it was slimmed down to one roll for DFRPG for simplicity sake.