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Old 12-20-2005, 09:27 AM   #1
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Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors
CHRIS STEPHEN AND ALLAN HALL

THE Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents.
http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=2434192005
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:14 AM   #2
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Chello!

How bizarre! I love it!

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Old 12-20-2005, 11:12 AM   #3
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I think they succeeded judging from the picture!

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/...840742969.html
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:00 PM   #4
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Ah man, it's so... Sovietic!
I love it!
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:25 PM   #5
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1) Goal of Ivanov's expedition in Africa was hybridization of different species of apes. There is no documents that confirming using human sperm (and no evidence that attempts of impregnate human volunteers) were actually happened.
2) Ilya Ivanov unlikely to have been convicted for some political crime. Article 58 (Counter-Revolutionary Crimes) of Criminal Code of 1922 does not allow the jail term to be replaced by exile.
3) In 1926, Stalin was not the absolute ruler of USSR. Trotsky, Bukharin, Zinoviev, Kamenev (to name a few) were figures whose popularity and overall political power exceeded Stalin's.
4) Attempt to breed 'a workforce that don't complain' is serious breach of Communist doctrine, part of which was abolition of exploitation of any kind. Any bolshevik leader that proposes such thing would have his political career quickly ended.
5) Stalin couldn't propose the breeding of supersoldiers either -- he (unlike Trotsky) was for 'Socialism in One Country' and 'peaceful coexistence' ideas.

I did quick search for this story in Russian part of internet, and has to say that all links I've found lacks any reference to documents. More than that, the story seems originating from certain yellow newspaper...

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Old 12-20-2005, 10:28 PM   #6
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How bizarre! I love it!
No offense meant, but this is only shows how little you know about Soviet Union (especially of that period of its history).
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:26 AM   #7
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Sounds like KriegAffe to me. I wonder if Dr. Hermann von Klempt is going to be in the next Hellboy movie?

Seriously, it's something that (for some reason) I am more inclined to associate with Nazi mad science than Soviet. It's odd, because it would seem to contravene some serious Nazi beliefs, such as the superiority of their race, by proving that "inferior" species could be elevated from their station.

Oh well, I suppose they would just have said, "Dermal armor plating and a 90-kilowatt pulse laser didn't make them not apes," or something like that.

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Old 12-21-2005, 12:46 PM   #8
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1) Goal of Ivanov's expedition in Africa was hybridization of different species of apes. There is no documents that confirming using human sperm (and no evidence that attempts of impregnate human volunteers were are actually happened).
2) Ilya Ivanov unlikely to have been convicted for some political crime. Article 58 (Counter-Revolutionary Crimes) of Criminal Code of 1922 does not allow the jail term to be replaced by exile.
3) In 1926, Stalin was not the absolute ruler of USSR. Trotsky, Bukharin, Zinoviev, Kamenev (to name a few) were figures whose popularity and overall political power exceeded Stalin's.
4) Attempt to breed 'a workforce that don't complain' is serious breach of Communist doctrine, part of which was abolition of exploitation of any kind. Any bolshevik leader that proposes such thing would have his political career quickly ended.
5) Stalin couldn't propose the breeding of supersoldiers either -- he (unlike Trotsky) was for 'Socialism in One Country' and 'peaceful coexistence' ideas.

I did quick search for this story in Russian part of internet, and has to say that all links I've found lacks any reference to documents. More than that, the story seems originating from certain yellow newspaper...
I knew that there were things about that story that bugged me when I read it, but I couldn't put a finger on them, got distracted right after reading it, and never got around to checking back on it.

Still, it's kind of amusing. Reminds me of the mosquito-borne Cambodian Zombie Plague from this spring...good gaming potential.
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Old 12-24-2005, 03:35 AM   #9
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I've found that the book that could serve the source of this story is translated to English and available online. Read The Fateful Eggs by Mikhail Bulgakov
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