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Old 07-14-2009, 07:13 AM   #11
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Default Re: Should there be a 'parenting' skill?

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Shouldn't that kind of thing be covered by the Housekeeping skill?
I am very efficient and fast when I am working on our home - I have some improved default or a couple of points in housekeeping - but when I'm dealing with my daughter, I'm far, far behind my wife... Also, I do not agree that it is an easy skill :)

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Old 07-14-2009, 07:18 AM   #12
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Default Re: Should there be a 'parenting' skill?

There already is a Parenting skill, at least in previous editions. It's called 'Professional skill: childrearing' (IQ/A). See the GURPS Car Warriors stats for 'Emily Caruthers' on p 32. [SJG 6402, 1987]
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:47 AM   #13
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Parenting is a skill, but most people have it at default.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:56 AM   #14
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It just seems to me that if the PC has taken a baby as a disadvantage (-36) then they should put a lot of effort into looking after it.
Not necessarily - an infant dependant can be (and in many cases was historically and still is) left in the care of a wet nurse, nanny or indeed, spouse and still remain a liability as a target for enemies.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:57 AM   #15
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...but then of course, if we imagine that Parenting is actually Average or Hard (based on how tough it is to learn Animal Handling or Diplomacy) then we must assume that most parents have fairly low Parenting skill and that possibly society as we know it is the result of a lot of failled skill rolls!
I don't have the slightest problem with that thought... I actually consider it very realistic.
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:08 AM   #16
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Parenting is a skill, but most people have it at default.
Concur. This is something that CAN be trained up, but most people don't bother. I'd say it is Hard or Average, but defaults to something favorable. I should note: I don't have kids (yet), but worked in child care for several years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. Few parents take classes on developmental psychology or infant CPR or whatever and just sort of do whatever their parents did with them +/- what their partner's parents did with them.

Another way to look at it would be that most parents (beyond new parents) have one point in Childrearing and also a quirk-level delusion "I am a very skilled parent." ;)


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Old 07-14-2009, 08:09 AM   #17
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I'm going to try to "reverse engineer" from the fact that there isn't a Child Care skill in the 4th edition rules...

This suggests that child care is treated as part of IQ (and Will and Perception and...). This is not to say that taking care of children is not hard work (trust me, fellow gamers, if you don't have children...being a parent is the hardest, best work you will ever do), but the actual tasks--heating up fish sticks in a toaster oven, telling a story, playing Candyland, changing diapers, handling basic discipline like time outs, fielding questions about why Mr. Squirrel had to die or why that lady over there is so fat, etc.--are mostly common sense things anyone can do without special training, education, etc.

Someone who is an "expert" (e.g., Jo in Supernanny, etc.) probably has an optional specialty of Teaching (Early Education) and/or Psychology (Child Behavior).

I suppose if you have to treat it as a skill, it would be a Professional Skill, with a default of IQ-5, but most tasks are routine (+4), so anyone can do them at IQ-1. Someone with one point of skill (IQ-2) would now be able to handle those routine tasks at skill+4 or IQ+2.

I hope this helps.

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Old 07-14-2009, 08:12 AM   #18
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And should people with young dependents (especially babies) have to take it?

It would consist of various elements of Science: nutrition, Psychology, Diplomacy, possibly Bard (bed time stories) and similar stuff and would be used to keep the very young dependent alive, get them to sleep and, for older ones to get them to go along with what you're doing...

I'd make it an Easy skill, though, and possibly even default to IQ.
I used it in my Transhuman Space campaign, and one of the PCs sank a fair number of points in it over the course of the campaign, to help deal with his 11-year-old daughter. I made it a standard professional skill. But it wasn't focused on household tasks (there are already skills for that) or on diagnosis. Often it was used as an influence skill.

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Old 07-14-2009, 08:14 AM   #19
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Sounds like an Expert Skill. Alternately you could just treat it as a professional skill.
Expert skills are book knowledge types of thing. If there was ever a skill that is not reducible to book knowledge, it's parenting!

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Old 07-14-2009, 08:21 AM   #20
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I would rules wise related like an IQ version of Brawling. In the the way 'untrained' rules for it work. because like Brawling it is not truly untrained, but picked up by going thrown the process themselves. and like the Brawling skill can benefit from additional training.

and continuing the analogy 'parenting' relates to Psychology the way Brawling relates to Karate.
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