10-25-2017, 07:31 AM | #11 |
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Re: Converting DND 3.5 DC to DFRPG
Shows how long since I've looked at the v3.5 rules. These days most things seem to start at DC15 in d20 games.
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10-25-2017, 07:37 AM | #12 |
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Re: Converting DND 3.5 DC to DFRPG
Well some tasks are definitely lower. Identifying a common CR 5 or less monster or many crafting checks for normal quality items for example. Otherwise yes, but presumably that is because Average tasks are supposed to be things that low level commoners and experts (i.e. most everybody) have a reasonable chance of success at; if they could do the things in adventures they wouldn't need to find adventurers to give quests to.
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10-25-2017, 11:53 PM | #13 |
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Re: Converting DND 3.5 DC to DFRPG
Low-level Commoners and Experts should generally be 'taking 10', given the nature of their lives, and getting a +5 bonus so your 'take 10' always passes DC15 isn't hard if it's your primary skill.
Even DC20 isn't that hard if you have an assistant. 4 ranks, +3 feat, +2 MW equipment = +9. Add an assistant's +2 'assist another' (and if they've got the same stuff as you, they succeed even on a '1'), and you can take 10 to auto-succeed on a DC20 task, such as working on a masterwork piece of gear. That's a 1st level character with unexceptional stats. A 3rd level character can do without either the assistant or the MW gear. A 5th level character needs neither. Better stats obviously allow these milestones to be reached sooner. But yes, 'average' at DC10 was obviously set there using low level ordinary people as the baseline.
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10-26-2017, 09:58 AM | #14 |
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Re: Converting DND 3.5 DC to DFRPG
Another conversion question. The DND 3.5 adventure Necropolis has stats for many doors, walls and other terrain features using Hardness and HP. Hardness is the equivalent of DR in DFRPG while HP is the equivalent of HP. However, I am not sure how they scale between systems. Anyone have any ideas on a conversion formula?
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Or, let me put it another way: using DC 10 as task difficulty ±0 will lead to a lot more bonuses on rolls than we're used to seeing in GURPS. On this matter, however, I agree utterly. When converting, you should make things as native to the new system as possible. The point is to run the new system, not to mimic D&D perfectly. If you're going to do that, you might as well run D&D. |
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10-26-2017, 07:41 PM | #17 |
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You are right about many specific tasks though. Though not all. Identifying a dire panther is probably not more than +0, for example, but that is probably coincidence resulting from the CR system more than anything. |
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Furthermore, they’re 250 points. A 1st level D&D character is expected to be able to make a DC 15 roll half the time in something they’re good at, and he’s weaker than a 250-point DF character. Not only is a DC save common for a first level character, but a DC 15 AC (if you want to think of it that way) is common at that level as well, even without a Dex bonus (GURPS Dodge). A 250 point DF character is something like a 6th level D&D character; he’s supposed to be making rolls with ease. They’re supposed to be cruising through adventures for low-level characters. |
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