07-01-2016, 11:02 AM | #1 |
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Point Shooting
Tactical Shooting quotes Ronald “Henry” Hall as saying a feature of the "point shooting" style of pistol operation was that " We were not taught to hold the gun out at arm’s length or with two hands but to draw the gun and hold it tucked into your navel".
I know this is an actual historical style ... but isn't it also an extremely dangerous way to operate an automatic pistol? Surely as soon as you fire the damned thing the slide's going to come back and smack you right in the gut? Am I missing something or was this a style only meant for revolver users? |
07-01-2016, 11:19 AM | #2 | |
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Re: Point Shooting
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07-01-2016, 02:54 PM | #3 | |
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07-01-2016, 03:00 PM | #4 | |
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Probably not as much as this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH1HioAHPW4 |
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07-02-2016, 06:29 AM | #5 | |
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I will defer to actual shooters, but Doug and Sam's photos do not look like what I saw in Hans' suggested reading list, or what I have read in early texts teaching what Hans calls Point Shooting.
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07-02-2016, 08:17 AM | #6 |
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Re: Point Shooting
Here's a Wiki article with a video and some diagrams. What I referenced earlier is Pistol Retention position using unsighted shooting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shooting
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07-02-2016, 09:44 AM | #7 | |
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It was the using two hands to do it that I found odd in the linked diagrams. That might be more about resisting gun-grabbing than stabilizing the weapon. At any rate you've got a hand and a belly-button (probably). Try literally tucking your shooting hand into your naval. I not find it results in an uncomfortably bent wrist but it does produce several inches of clearance between the rear of the gun and the torso.
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07-02-2016, 10:13 AM | #8 |
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Re: Point Shooting
The '30s gangster movies always struck me as firing from the same position you'd fire a pistol concealed in your jacket pocket from. Which seems like a sensible way for a gangster to practice firing and become most familiar with.
Well, except for the classic tommy gun kinda things, but those always look like an actor struggling with the weapon to me. Disclaimer: I'm no expert. I just watch peoples hands more than their faces in movies.
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07-02-2016, 01:21 PM | #9 | |
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Again, I am not a firearms guy, but I ordered the parts of Hans' suggested reading which interested me. I am speaking purely about how things were done in the past, not why or what way is best.
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07-03-2016, 07:12 AM | #10 |
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Re: Point Shooting
The stance described by Hall is what Fairbairn and Sykes taught as the "Half-Hip Position." This is not the modern retention position mentioned by Doug and Sam, which Fairbairn and Sykes called the "Quarter-Hip" or "Close-Hip Position." Both are illustrated in Shooting to Live as Fig.13 and Fig.14, respectively.
Note that Hall certainly did not literally mean that he stuck the pistol into his navel; he exaggerated to drive home the difference between the usual one-handed and two-handed stances that elevate the pistol in order for the sights to be used. Cheers HANS
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