06-03-2010, 10:35 PM | #1 |
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Using a class ability and discarding the class
Example/Question: Can a cleric discard a card and Resurrect an undead creature, start fighting it, discard a following 3 cards to Turn it (gaining +9)
and then discard the cleric card whilst still in combat with the undead monster? According to the flowchart you can discard/play classes in combat, but does this effect the class abilities that you've already used? |
06-03-2010, 11:49 PM | #2 |
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Re: Using a class ability and discarding the class
The way I interpret it, based on the FAQ and some of the other posts, combat is not a stackable exercise, it's happening all at once. But at the same time, once an act is performed (the 3 card discard) the action has taken place. For me, sounds like no matter what, he's definitely in combat. He used the ability to bring the monster, yes, but once in combat, he's in combat, that part shouldn't be a question. The plus 9 should hold, but the player will not be a cleric after the combat. If he's getting penalized by the monster for being a cleric, what I've read says the penalty would go away if he's no longer a cleric, even mid-combat. So, all of the benefits none of the minus?
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06-04-2010, 12:37 AM | #3 | |
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Re: Using a class ability and discarding the class
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06-04-2010, 05:14 AM | #4 | ||
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So, to recap: Unless you have a very specific card that can revert an action just after it happened, you can not cancel or prevent the effect of that action from happening; the loss of a Race, or Class, or Power, or Loyalty, or Accent card will not retroactively remove, cancel or prevent an ability use of that Race/Class/etc. that has a "one time" effect (like theft, or a Wizard's charm spell, or the French Accent's Charm ze rival), or was powered by a discard (this also covers theft and the charm spell, but also the Warrior's berserking and the Cleric's Turn undead). What one definitely loses when losing a Class/Race/etc. is the ability to derive a bonus from Items he was using that were specifically attuned to that aspect which was lost, and any bonuses or penalties granted by the Monsters he was fighting that were related to the aspect that was lost. |
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06-05-2010, 10:06 PM | #5 |
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=== Thieving an Item and discarding your thief class ===
Thank you & sorry Erik,
I tried to explain this argument to my friend, however he was too stubborn to admit defeat, So I thought I would show him an official posting on the forum. If the game is not stack based does that mean you could become a thief attempt to steal another players small item and because you have to discard a card, you opt to discard your thief card? |
06-05-2010, 10:38 PM | #6 | |
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Re: === Thieving an Item and discarding your thief class ===
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EDIT: This is actually in the FAQ, although it's not under the section on classes and races: Q. The rules say that cards in play must be traded or discarded. When can I discard them?
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06-06-2010, 09:00 AM | #7 |
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Re: Using a class ability and discarding the class
The reason for this is that you lose the benefits, penalties and powers of a Race or Class when you discard it, so if you discard the Thief, you no longer have the power to steal, since you discarded the card that gave you the ability you were trying to use.
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06-06-2010, 07:26 PM | #8 |
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Re: Using a class ability and discarding the class
Is this one of the situations in which Munchkin Quest differs from Munchkin? (Because that first link's thread came to the opposite conclusion.)
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06-06-2010, 08:11 PM | #9 | |
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06-09-2010, 09:58 PM | #10 |
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Re: Using a class ability and discarding the class
This makes sense; however, there are situations where it is still a little confusing.
For example, I am a Ranger and am fighting a monster. I declare that I'm going to tame the monster, and thus end my combat... Before I've decided what 5 cards I am going to discard, another person plays a wandering monster on me. Is this legal or because I already said I was going to tame the monster is the combat over??? |
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