08-03-2020, 06:34 PM | #1 |
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In which I post about a TL9-10 solar system
The setting:
Year: Tech Level: Switches: If a switch has a more realistic option, assume that is the one that is used unless otherwise notified here. Setting summary: Humanity has colonized much of the solar system, and Space War I started over the issue of Belter independence when someone did something precipitous "because negotiations were going too slow." Open for suggestions, discussions, and critique. Major Factions:
Minor Factions:
Edit: Automation is a matter of daily life; for example, the closest anyone gets to "manually mining" is pulling **levers on their mining rig, or when you need a delicate touch that can't be provided by telepresence at TL9, or across light-lag distances, or when any lag is bad. * I have assumed some levelling off of computational power, as per the "soft wall" theory; that is, additional progress can and is being made, but at a much lower rate, and with much more difficulty. The moon has not been turned into a giant supercomputer due to heat limitations; replication errors; rational and irrational fear of replicating robots; lack of ready lunar material; and other concerns. ** Some people question "why something as primitive as levers?" "Levers are very fail-safe." is typically the answer. Last edited by Say, it isn't that bad!; 08-10-2020 at 10:07 PM. |
08-03-2020, 07:10 PM | #2 |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
Edit: This spaceship may be upgraded to TL10; I will be looking into carriers for TL9.
Edit2: Current indications are that it is a capable, if expensive to refuel, fast battleship for Earth-Mars Alliance defence purposes. I've swapped the habitat and fusion reactor to place the habitat into a [core] section; this gives it PF 1,800 (18 vs cosmic rays). Also, I had incorrectly given the fuel for the "Advanced Fusion Pulse Drive" as "Hydrogen", rather than "Nuclear Pellets". In addition, an "External Pulsed Plasma" drive gets 4mps per fuel tank at TL9 (I had listed 2mps). The "move" column, second row, for the Starship Table listed 20mps instead of the correct 40mps. Setting assumptions:
TL 9, Warship (battleship), SM+11 unstreamlined hull, 150 yards. Code:
Spacecraft Table TL Spacecraft dST/HP Hnd/SR HT Move Lwt. Load SM Occ dDR Range Cost Pacific Battleship 200/200 -2/5 13 2G/4mps 30,000t 9t +11 100/100/50 -- $2,580M 0.005G/40 mps Code:
Front Hull System ($1,020) [1] Advanced Metallic Laminate Armour (dDR 50, hardened) ($120M) [2] Advanced Metallic Laminate Armour (dDR 50, hardened) ($120M) [3] Major battery (1 turret, 10GJ laser) ($150M) [4] Tertiary battery (30 turrets, 4cm very rapid-fire gun, 4,000 shots) ($150) [5] Tertiary battery (30 turrets, 32cm missile launcher, 20 missiles) ($150) [6] Fusion reactor (provides 2 power points) ($300M) [core] Habitat (179 cabins, 1 briefing room (1), 1 ops center (10), 1 clinic sickbay (10), 3 workspaces) ($30M) Code:
Central Hull System ($670) [1] Advanced Metallic Laminate Armour (dDR 50, hardened) ($120M) [2] Advanced Metallic Laminate Armour (dDR 50, hardened) ($120M) [3] Tertiary battery (30 turrets, 32cm missile launcher, 20 missiles) ($150) [4] Tertiary battery (30 turrets, 4cm very rapid-fire gun, 4,000 shots) ($150) [5] Fuel tank (1,500 tons of nuclear bombs, 4 mps) ($10M) ($375M to refuel) [6] Tactical Comm/Sensor Array (3 workspaces, comm/sensory Level 11) ($60M) [core] Control Room (15 control stations, 3 workspaces, Complexity 7 computer network, comm/sensory Level 9 (backup)) ($60M) Code:
Rear Hull System ($890) [1] Advanced Metallic Laminate Armour (dDR 50, hardened) ($120M) [2] Tertiary battery (30 turrets, 4cm very rapid-fire gun, 4,000 shots) ($150) [3] Fuel tank (1,500 tons of nuclear pellets, 20 mps) ($10M) ($75M to refuel) [4] Fuel tank (1,500 tons of nuclear pellets, 20 mps) ($10M) ($75M to refuel) [5] External Pulsed Plasma (2G acceleration) ($300M) [6] Advanced Fusion Pulse Drive (0.005G acceleration) ($300M) Opponents of the Pacific design noted potential flaws, including:
After-action reports resulted in the confirmation of the following benefits:
After-action reports resulted in the identification of additional flaws, including:
As such, refinements and new designs were being considered at the same time as the first Pacific battleships were constructed. Last edited by Say, it isn't that bad!; 08-04-2020 at 02:13 PM. |
08-03-2020, 07:41 PM | #3 |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
TL9 is really slow advancement by 2200, as we are on the cusp of early TL9 in several technological fields. At TL9, AI warships are either stupid or inflexible, and are barely capable of following orders, much less acting independently. For example, a SM+12 control is Complexity 8, which is enough for an IQ 10 Volitional AI. If your are spending $2-$4 billion on a warship, you do not give it to something that is no smarter than the average human, not unless you really want to lose every conflict.
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08-03-2020, 07:46 PM | #4 |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
At TL9, fighter carriers actually make sense, as the carrier possesses high delta-v while the fighters possess high thrust (AKVs are too dumb at TL9, so human fighters actually still make sense). A Jovian Alliance would not make sense at TL9 without superscience, the radiation from Jupiter is just too intense (a Saturn Alliance, with control over the highly valuable nitrogen reserves of Titan, would make much more sense). Venus is impossible to settle, much less terraform, at TL9.
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08-03-2020, 08:30 PM | #5 | ||
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
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There is a tendency to assign human-level thought as a requirement to any task that an AI cannot currently do; and to treat as "Not AI" any task which a computer can accomplish. That being said, a drone is not the same thing as a warship, and I have already instituted "soft wall" computer development. Overall, I find myself partial to agreeing with your critique here. Quote:
I was aware the radiation from Jupiter was intense, but not aware that it was intense to the point of forbidding colonization of its moons! That is very intense. Jovian Alliance now Saturn Alliance - which gives Neptune and Uranus their own reasons to bid for independence. The Venusian Revitalization Project basically amounts to well-wishes, future plans, scientific studies, and siphoning off traces of greenhouse gases from the very upper layer of atmosphere. Art sales include gemstones coloured by inclusions of compressed atmospheric materials. Alright, so I agree with most of your suggestions. Initial timeline soon. |
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08-03-2020, 08:41 PM | #6 |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
My current initial thoughts on a timeline are:
TL9: 1) Mars and moon colonized. 2) Asteroid mining. 3) Inner belt and moons of Saturn get stations and settlements. 4) Settlements spread to outer belt, Neptune, and Uranus. 4a) Some lunatics build a few towns floating beneath giant balloons in Saturn. 5) Solar War 1: Bid for Independence: Carriers the Day. 6) Further development of solar system. TL10 7) Moons of Jupiter colonized. 8) Further development of the solar system. 9a) The Outer Belters declare independence from the Inner Belters. 9b) Neptune and Uranus jointly declare independence from Saturn. 9c) Jupiter declares loyalty to Saturnian government; however, this amounts to not much more than paper support. 9d) The "Mercury Mining Consortium" changes its name to the "Mercury Cooperative Confederacy". 9e) The Earth-Mars Alliance wakes up, realizes they lack modern warships, and promptly start fixing that - fast. 10) Solar War II: Bid for Independence: Battleships Strike Back. X) The Nope Out Of The Solar System project heads out of the solar system. |
08-03-2020, 08:49 PM | #7 |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
Phobos and Deimos would natural candidates for initial Martian colonization. They may be 50% ice, which provides reaction mass, and they are much easier to travel to and from than the Martian surface.
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08-03-2020, 08:57 PM | #8 | |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
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I don't actually see much reason you shouldn't go to TL10. It would mitigate but not remove the radiation issue and gnerally make the amount of human activity you have all pover the soalr system more credible. If you don't want laser pistols nerf power cells.
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08-03-2020, 09:06 PM | #9 |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
That is a very good point. They would also then provide fuel for further colonization of the solar system.
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08-03-2020, 09:10 PM | #10 | |
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Re: In which I post about a TL9 solar system
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I mean, we've got a tiny space station up there with metal walls that basically make it a tin can in comparison, and people seem fine for months at a time? Also, the US has been planning a manned mission to Mars for some years, and nobody at NASA seems panicked over everybody they send, dying from it. |
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