Two rules questions

[ColBosch]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Can someone please explain when a SHVY is killed according to the partial damage rules? I understand that after a X result a dice is rolled with various effects. Killed on a 6 and with subesquent 1 or 2 results. However I cannot find clear what happens if I get 3, 4 and 5 results over and over (Unit immobilized. Mark off all threads. Unit disabled). Additionally, as the second D has no further effect, it means that the SHVY will recover as if the second D result never happened even if the unit was disabled in the previous turn? Or a second D scored in the next turn postpones the SHVY's recovery and this could go on and on for the next turns if the SHVY a D result each turn?

The SHVY remains on the battlefield until one of its destruction results is rolled. Rule 13.07 covers this pretty well. It might be left immobile and weaponless, but it remains in play. The rule also says that, after it is disabled, further D results have no extra effect.

Note that this is an optional rule and makes SHVYs more expensive.

[ColBosch]

Originally Posted by J. Durr

One clarification: my questions referred to two separate situations, one in a game of Ogre and one in a game of GEV.

Ah, okay. I thought you were engaging in a bit of sneaky rules lawyering. :)

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by ColBosch

The SHVY remains on the battlefield until one of its destruction results is rolled. Rule 13.07 covers this pretty well. It might be left immobile and weaponless, but it remains in play. The rule also says that, after it is disabled, further D results have no extra effect.

Note that this is an optional rule and makes SHVYs more expensive.

As suspected. Thank you very much.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by ColBosch

There are ways you could end up with an Ogre and a disabled enemy unit in the same hex (see rule 8.05.1). Not likely, but it is possible, and the spillover fire rules do take this into account. 7.12.2 says "All units (friendly or enemy) in a hex are affected by spillover fire."

I have literally never seen this happen, YMMV of course.

[ColBosch]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I have literally never seen this happen, YMMV of course.

I've seen enemy units left in an Ogre's hex several times using the Overrun rules, typically when the Ogre player got overconfident and had all of his remaining guns shot off (sometimes, the dice hate me). It can happen, and there are rules for it. So it's not "YMMV" at all; it's the system accounting for edge cases.

[Ursus]

Originally Posted by ColBosch

I've seen enemy units left in an Ogre's hex several times using the Overrun rules, typically when the Ogre player got overconfident and had all of his remaining guns shot off (sometimes, the dice hate me). It can happen, and there are rules for it. So it's not "YMMV" at all; it's the system accounting for edge cases.

Who are you, Wil Wheaton? ;-)

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by ColBosch

I've seen enemy units left in an Ogre's hex several times using the Overrun rules, typically when the Ogre player got overconfident and had all of his remaining guns shot off (sometimes, the dice hate me). It can happen, and there are rules for it. So it's not "YMMV" at all; it's the system accounting for edge cases.

I said that whether this happens to you or not is probably variable, and I think that's a true statement. The rules definitely do account for this (IMO unlikely) edge case, no dispute there.

[ColBosch]

Originally Posted by Ursus

Who are you, Wil Wheaton? ;-)

Oh, does he have bad dice, too? I swear, the only time I roll well is when it doesn't matter.

[J. Durr]

Originally Posted by ColBosch

Oh, does he have bad dice, too? I swear, the only time I roll well is when it doesn't matter.

In the game where the first situation I asked about happened (disabled unit remaining in hex with Ogre after ramming) I was shooting at one point at the gunless Ogre's remaining few treads with about six units per turn for several turns. I swear I rolled thirty times in a row without getting a hit on the treads. WHERE'S THE RULE FOR THAT

[ColBosch]

Originally Posted by J. Durr

In the game where the first situation I asked about happened (disabled unit remaining in hex with Ogre after ramming) I was shooting at one point at the gunless Ogre's remaining few treads with about six units per turn for several turns. I swear I rolled thirty times in a row without getting a hit on the treads. WHERE'S THE RULE FOR THAT

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