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09-30-2013, 09:21 AM | #1 |
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Krokodil
This is a drug that rots away at the tissues of the user. How much is that worth as an addiction?
You can read about it here. Warning: Graphic images - do not watch if you get nauseous easily. Fixed link
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09-30-2013, 11:33 AM | #2 |
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Re: Krokodil
I don't actually believe those sorts of stories very much - this is a moderately common scare the kids away from drugs claim, and the dramatic damage is pretty much always from stuff left in from lousy purification. But I don't see that it changes the game mechanics even if true. Lots of stuff is bad for you in the long term, if it won't kill you in the next year or two, it doesn't change the point value.
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09-30-2013, 11:57 AM | #3 |
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Re: Krokodil
The Addiction is to desomorphine. Its effectiveness is 8-10 times that of morphine, where diamorphine (heroin) is 4-5 times that of morphine – and in a campaign, I'd simply treat all of this stuff as one Addiction and leave the matter of which drugs someone is taking abstract as long as drugs are available. If availability were to drop, then addicts would have to take what they can get or face withdrawal. "What they can get" may well be poison . . . they could attempt default Chemistry rolls if they had a "cookbook" and suitable ingredients, or they could buy from people who do that. Either way, any bad effects would be a campaign issue, not intrinsic to the drug, because clean opiods would work just fine and be preferred if available. It isn't as if users crave the bad effects of iodine and phosphorus, any more than characters with Bully crave being shot in the face if the only people they can bully happen to have guns.
This isn't specific to opiods. Very few "clean" drugs produced under controlled conditions will rot your flesh, dissolve your teeth, etc. Those effects result from impurities introduced in street production. You don't get extra points for Addiction just because you use crappy versions of the drug. You can certainly get extra points for Impulsiveness, On the Edge, low Wealth, etc., however, if your personal situation is tough or you're undiscriminating.
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09-30-2013, 12:07 PM | #4 |
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Re: Krokodil
Basically the same lesson as don't buy your bathtub gin from guys who ferment in low nitrogen conditions, run the distillation to dry or otherwise don't watch out for methanol or other fusel alcohols.
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09-30-2013, 12:31 PM | #5 |
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Re: Krokodil
I'm getting a page about information content of DNA ... but as Kromm says it's entirely possible that the tissue damage is due to an impurity rather than inherent to the action of the drug itself. Either that or the means of administration.
But it's a worthwhile question - how do we model addictions that have a significant harm beyond the addicition itself and inflict (as per example) toxic damage or some other detriment? |
09-30-2013, 12:40 PM | #6 |
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Re: Krokodil
If it's soon enough, Terminally Ill. Otherwise, just take disads to represent the effects of the drug.
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09-30-2013, 01:17 PM | #7 | |
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Re: Krokodil
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Yeah, that's the broader question. For Krokodil, I'd have you make a HT roll per month, and on a failure you lose 1 HP and 1 HT permanently. Something like that.
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09-30-2013, 06:07 PM | #8 | |
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Re: Krokodil
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09-30-2013, 12:30 PM | #9 | |
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Re: Krokodil
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09-30-2013, 05:58 PM | #10 | |
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Re: Krokodil
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Methadone (a synthetic opioid) is a strong pain killer that is only recently being used as such in the US. It does, however, have some links with some heart problems which is why Lee can no longer take it and is back on opioids again. Chronic pain sucks.
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