Difficult to Hit Advantage

[RedMattis]

What do you guys think would be a fair price for an advantage which makes a character difficult to hit?

I'm looking to set a generic advantage so I can add (home-made) modifiers to.

Examples:
A shadow-monster with a small 'heart' which is the only part which can be injured. The rest of its body is still substantial, but ignores damage which doesn't have a special property which circumvents the advantage.

A wraith wearing a trinket which binds its soul to the physical world. Most attacks to its body just go through it as if it was an illusion.

A vampire which takes something like 1/5 of normal damage except when hitting the heart (or to a lesser extent, brain).



In most cases I could use existing advantages and modify the heck out of them, but I don't really feel like it tends to give very fair point-values.
Active Chameleon (sight) tends to work out too cheap compared to, say, enhanced dodge (which won't help you when unaware of the enemy). IT: Damage divisor ends up extremely expensive (especially compared to just buying HP). HP with modifiers is a bit awkward.



This is what I figured would be 'fair'. I based the value on the idea of an Enhanced Dodge (15p) that was always active and helpful.

Hard to Hit [25 Points]
Hitting you is more difficult than your size modifier would otherwise indicate. This might be due to a telekinetic shield, strange blur, parts of your body being immune to damage, etc.

Enchantment ideas:
Obvious Signature: (or very well known) weak-spot, like a nano-bot swarm with a highly visible red energy core in the center, +0%
Low Signature: A ghost wearing bound to a worn necklace, +10%
No Signature: A vampire's heart, +20%
No Signature & Unknown: As per above but virtually no one knows about your weak-spot (but could target it unknowingly if is fairly large), +50%

Limitations ideas:
Bleed-through: Attacks that fail to hit you due to this trait still cause injury but cause less damage and/or heal faster, -?%
Invulnerable: Attacks that fail to hit you due to this trait still hit, but cause no injury. You can still be grappled or knocked back, for example. -20%

[kirbwarrior]

I think most people start with Obscure (with things like Stealthy and Defensive) to make it harder to get hit. That's not perfect because it doesn't affect all senses, though.

You can do Unkillable w/Regeneration or Supernatural Durability, either with a limitation based around what actually does kill you (I think SD actually has that built in).

[Refplace]

Maybe go for an Obscure with Defensive, Stealth and Targeting only?

[RedMattis]

For a PC Obscure typically ends up costing no more than 10 points per level even if you start stacking enhancements since it has a base cost of 2. That is extremely cheap for something which is generally significantly stronger than Enhanced Dodge even in a direct fight unless you're facing extremely skilled opponents, which in a non-dungeon fantasy/pulp-action kind of setting that is unlikely.

Even if you just use a version that covers vision and not other senses it will work for 95% of the fights*. And this without considering that you're also getting a great stealth ability, which frankly is the intended primary use.

*(I'm not going to shoe-horn in frequent echo-locating bat-monsters just because someone has Obscure)

[whswhs]

Just do a combination of the three Enhanced Defenses, I think.

[ericthered]

Originally Posted by RedMattis

For a PC Obscure typically ends up costing no more than 10 points per level even if you start stacking enhancements since it has a base cost of 2. That is extremely cheap for something which is generally significantly stronger than Enhanced Dodge even in a direct fight unless you're facing extremely skilled opponents, which in a non-dungeon fantasy/pulp-action kind of setting that is unlikely.

Even if you just use a version that covers vision and not other senses it will work for 95% of the fights*. And this without considering that you're also getting a great stealth ability, which frankly is the intended primary use.

*(I'm not going to shoe-horn in frequent echo-locating bat-monsters just because someone has Obscure)

Honestly, my gut reaction for the cost of the advantage was [10]. Each +1 to defense is roughly the equivalent of -2 to attack (this trade is made in several places). +1 to all defenses is [30], so -2 to hit should be at most [30], or [15/level].

I'd argue that most of defense could be summed up with dodge, which derives from basic speed at [20] per full level. half of that indicates [10].

[RedMattis]

Originally Posted by ericthered

Honestly, my gut reaction for the cost of the advantage was [10]. Each +1 to defense is roughly the equivalent of -2 to attack (this trade is made in several places). +1 to all defenses is [30], so -2 to hit should be at most [30], or [15/level].

I'd argue that most of defense could be summed up with dodge, which derives from basic speed at [20] per full level. half of that indicates [10].

Makes sense to me. It might be a bit strong against ranged opponents, since there isn't a Telegraphic Attack for ranged attacks as far as I recall, but then again someone spending 60 points to give everyone a -4 to attack them doesn't seem better than 6 points of DR or the offensive power of DX+3.

[RedMattis]

For a vampire which can only be slain via heart-damage and recovers other damage very quickly.

Hard to Hit 5 [57]
(No Signature, +20%; 'Invulnerable', -10%; Still takes normal injury elsewhere, but it won't kill unless below hp*-5, it regenerates quickly, -20%)

[vicky_molokh]

Obscure (Anti-Targeting) seems to be a very good fit.

[weby]

Originally Posted by RedMattis

...since there isn't a Telegraphic Attack for ranged attacks as far as I recall,...

Prediction Shots is an optional rule in Martial arts 121.