04-20-2014, 10:56 AM | #41 |
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Re: Judgment Adventure seed idea feedback requested.
The Jumped Seraph very definitely is a Balseraph. Her potential is to be a very ruthless demon or a very selfless angel, and she's definitely on the lower side. She's only honorable in that she has the Seraph resonance and doesn't lie.
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04-22-2014, 06:40 AM | #42 |
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Re: Judgment Adventure seed idea feedback requested.
Dominic's Vassal and Friend distinctions and the application of Celestial Charm to reduce her Will to 4 or lower say that she'll sing like a bird if she has any guilt whatsoever about any of her actions. Dominic possesses the abilities granted by all of Dominic's distinctions, and certainly knows the Celestial Song of Charm. Use of the Celestial Song of Charm does not cause soul hits so does not violate the Pax Dei - and I don't believe the Pax Dei applies to Balseraphs.
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04-22-2014, 02:11 PM | #43 | |
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The Distinction only says 'compels the target to confess to their crime', not 'talk about their motivations and open their mind to the possibility of repenting'. The angels don't strictly need her confession: she is definitely guilty. And assuming the trap occurs as I wrote it did, they'll even know her motivations and why she chose to Jump. The only thing they need to figure out is who is more right in their estimation of punitive action. Oh, I think I forgot to outline Mihr's argument exactly: Mihr's argument for "imprison the Jumped Seraph until she's ready to attempt Redemption," will be based on the logic that her betrayal has occurred very quickly, within a period of a day (longer if the PCs take longer). Her betrayal was the result of a sudden impulsive decision that was made before she could consider the full scope of what she was doing. The Elohite resonance has not revealed any actions that could, presently, inspire her to face her crimes and repent, but that could very well change now that she is in prison and not conspiring with other demons and following the direct orders of a Prince. Mihr will acknowledge that if the Jumped Seraph's actions were a series of deliberate actions over time that reflected permanently warped behavior, then Soul Death would be called for. But the fact that this all occurred in so short a time span suggests the window for rehabilitation has not yet closed, and that is always preferable to outright Death. Is what I had in mind. Basically "she did all this in less than a day, she could change her mind again." |
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04-22-2014, 02:17 PM | #44 |
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Re: Judgment Adventure seed idea feedback requested.
Putting a plan into action without thinking it through shows a distinct lack of judgment. I doubt Dominic would be pleased - if the jumper was one of his Servitors, a discussion about changing Superiors might be in order if she's Redeemed.
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Also, you've failed to consider the use of a set of level 6 Will Shackles plus the Celestial Song of Charm to force the Balseraph to speak more on the matter - though the fact that she was able to remain silent until they came out will be a huge black mark against her, I can't see how Dominic wouldn't have a set of level 6 Will Shackles for interrogating particularly reluctant prisoners. If all else fails, hire a Cherub of Janus to attune to her, making her their Servant and thus allowing them to make her speak. Quote:
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04-22-2014, 08:54 PM | #46 | ||
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If the Jumped Seraph does successfully redeem, I imagine vessel-stripping/corporeal force stripping and a permanent ban from corporeal duty will be the first action taken. |
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04-23-2014, 12:12 AM | #47 | ||||
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"I command you to answer all questions in full with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." If she resists that and absolutely must be questioned within the next 6 hours, "I command you to tell me <rephrasing of the intended question as a command>". Quote:
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Also, similar to my above suggestion that Eliites IST Judgment and/or individually in better standing than their Archangel, while it's a stretch to assume all or even most Cherubim of Janus can be called in for a case, it's practically certain that there exists a number of such Cherubim who can be trusted with the duty. (In before "that number is zero".) Still needing to protect her is a concern, so have the Cherub blow his Essence on the Will roll to break the attunement. Alternately, for the duration of his assistance grant him the Cherub of Judgment attunement - she's a subject of inquiry so they won't have to protect her. Last edited by Omegonthesane; 04-23-2014 at 12:17 AM. |
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This is definitely one of those cases I think where it sounds like a really effective pairing of attunements/resonances, but there's no way you could justify it in terms of the story. |
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04-23-2014, 04:45 AM | #49 | ||
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(See above my feelings about the unlikelihood of roving squads of Ballakim of Fate.) Disagree on principle, but only with the degree of rarity - never say never. In this particular case I wouldn't think the Cherub would get to keep Cherub of Judgment following the trial. |
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That just makes it worse, really. An Archangel giving an angel of another Word their choir attunement is supposed to be a great public reward and a sign that the Archangel trusts the angel to use it to promote his Word, even if he's not a direct servitor. Not a convenience to be given and taken lightly. |
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