Library/laboratory room

elpelepele · 12-30-2008, 02:23 PM

The question I have for these tiles comes from the wording of the last sentence of each room

"You may only buy Scrolls/Potions that are in the discard pile when you enter the room.

What happens if you start your turn in the room? Can you still make a deal or can you only make a deal as you enter the room? If you can make the deal, what scrolls/potions can you purchace? (Timing) Ones that were in the discard when you started your turn, or only ones that were in the pile when you entered the room.

bonetm · 12-30-2008, 02:30 PM

I think you are interpretating it wrong. I'd say that the potion and scrolls have to be in the discard pile when you enter the room. This means that if you fight while in the room, and use scrolls or potions from your hand, you cannot get them back, unless you leave the room and come in again.

rek075 · 12-30-2008, 02:56 PM

Agreed. The original intention was probably to prevent use of potions and re-purchase of them right away.

MunchkinMan · 12-31-2008, 04:41 AM

Well, right after combat was over with the munchkin winning, since one can't make deals when a Monster is present.

elpelepele · 12-31-2008, 08:29 AM

This was much later in the game. The room had been opened up early in the game and the munchkin moved into the room at the very end of the game with his last move token. He couldn't make the deal during that turn so when he started his next turn he tried to buy a scroll. There was much loud arguing but at the end, the owner of the game made a rulling that he could not make a deal because he had not entered the room. That what my question was about. I know that the intention of the rule on the tile was worded so that you can't buy back scrolls/potions that you used in combat when you kick down the door.

How do you read "when you enter the room" when you start there?

Houston MIB · 12-31-2008, 10:15 AM

In my opinion, the wording is pretty clear. "When you enter the room" means exactly what it says. If you start your turn in the room, you're already there. Therefore, effects triggered by entering a room would not trigger if one were already present in said room at the start of one's turn.

worms919 · 12-31-2008, 11:15 AM

Actually I think Bone got it right. "when you enter the room" is NOT a condition of when you can make the deal, but of what potions you are allowed to buy. Perhaps a more accurate wording could be: "You may only buy Scrolls/Potions that were in the discard pile when you entered the room.

Houston MIB · 12-31-2008, 11:33 AM

Oops! I was a little unclear about my answer, I was referring specifically to the phrase "When you enter the room" in regards to the availability of potions or scrolls when one chooses to make a deal after entering the room. As far as actually making a deal, that could have been the start of one's turn if one so chose.

elpelepele · 01-03-2009, 07:46 AM

So would you all agree that "when you enter the room" as a qualification of which potions/scrolls you can choose from when you make the deal can basically be replaced with "at the start of your turn" when you start in this type of room.

bonetm · 01-03-2009, 08:25 AM

No. You can Trade the potions and scrolls at any time during in your own turn. The expression "when you enter the room" refer to the potions/scrolls that can be bought.

12-30-2008, 02:23 PM	#1
elpelepele Join Date: Dec 2008	Library/laboratory room The question I have for these tiles comes from the wording of the last sentence of each room "You may only buy Scrolls/Potions that are in the discard pile when you enter the room. What happens if you start your turn in the room? Can you still make a deal or can you only make a deal as you enter the room? If you can make the deal, what scrolls/potions can you purchace? (Timing) Ones that were in the discard when you started your turn, or only ones that were in the pile when you entered the room.

12-30-2008, 02:30 PM	#2
bonetm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brazil	Re: Library/laboratory room I think you are interpretating it wrong. I'd say that the potion and scrolls have to be in the discard pile when you enter the room. This means that if you fight while in the room, and use scrolls or potions from your hand, you cannot get them back, unless you leave the room and come in again. __________________ Igor Toscano MiB: #1602

12-30-2008, 02:56 PM	#3
rek075 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	Re: Library/laboratory room Agreed. The original intention was probably to prevent use of potions and re-purchase of them right away.

12-31-2008, 04:41 AM	#4
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: Library/laboratory room Well, right after combat was over with the munchkin winning, since one can't make deals when a Monster is present. __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029

12-31-2008, 08:29 AM	#5
elpelepele Join Date: Dec 2008	Re: Library/laboratory room This was much later in the game. The room had been opened up early in the game and the munchkin moved into the room at the very end of the game with his last move token. He couldn't make the deal during that turn so when he started his next turn he tried to buy a scroll. There was much loud arguing but at the end, the owner of the game made a rulling that he could not make a deal because he had not entered the room. That what my question was about. I know that the intention of the rule on the tile was worded so that you can't buy back scrolls/potions that you used in combat when you kick down the door. How do you read "when you enter the room" when you start there?

12-31-2008, 10:15 AM	#6
Houston MIB Join Date: Dec 2008	Re: Library/laboratory room In my opinion, the wording is pretty clear. "When you enter the room" means exactly what it says. If you start your turn in the room, you're already there. Therefore, effects triggered by entering a room would not trigger if one were already present in said room at the start of one's turn. __________________ Andrew Faulkner MIB 0160 Houston "A proud Steve Jackson Games volunteer" Last edited by Houston MIB; 12-31-2008 at 10:22 AM.

12-31-2008, 11:15 AM	#7
worms919 Join Date: Apr 2007	Re: Library/laboratory room Actually I think Bone got it right. "when you enter the room" is NOT a condition of when you can make the deal, but of what potions you are allowed to buy. Perhaps a more accurate wording could be: "You may only buy Scrolls/Potions that were in the discard pile when you entered the room.

12-31-2008, 11:33 AM	#8
Houston MIB Join Date: Dec 2008	Re: Library/laboratory room Oops! I was a little unclear about my answer, I was referring specifically to the phrase "When you enter the room" in regards to the availability of potions or scrolls when one chooses to make a deal after entering the room. As far as actually making a deal, that could have been the start of one's turn if one so chose. __________________ Andrew Faulkner MIB 0160 Houston "A proud Steve Jackson Games volunteer"

01-03-2009, 07:46 AM	#9
elpelepele Join Date: Dec 2008	Re: Library/laboratory room So would you all agree that "when you enter the room" as a qualification of which potions/scrolls you can choose from when you make the deal can basically be replaced with "at the start of your turn" when you start in this type of room.

01-03-2009, 08:25 AM	#10
bonetm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brazil	Re: Library/laboratory room No. You can Trade the potions and scrolls at any time during in your own turn. The expression "when you enter the room" refer to the potions/scrolls that can be bought. __________________ Igor Toscano MiB: #1602