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Old 09-29-2020, 03:47 AM   #31
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This. Most rich societies have shrinking populations, except for immigration from poorer countries. If we had bioroids today, japan for example might well build lots of them.
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For bioroids to be feasible on a large scale, you basically need some jobs that aren’t appropriate for robots (possibly due to AI limitations) but that you have a shortage of willing and capable humans for
I understand that there are firms in Japan putting a lot of R&D effort into robotic and "AI" home and nursing care for the elderly. Bioroids might be suitable for and acceptable in the role of carers.

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The bioroids don’t have to be slaves, or even second-class citizens, although having them function as such for the first several years of their lives isn’t unlikely
I am put in mind of a half-remembered line from an Asimov story, about a robotic nanny: "Of course she is kind and caring. She cannot help but be: she is a machine, made so." If the designers of bioroids can design the brains and assemble the synapses of their products they can make them joyously willing to do work that humans disdain, even for subsistence wages, with no indentures or servitude required.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:40 AM   #32
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I understand that there are firms in Japan putting a lot of R&D effort into robotic and "AI" home and nursing care for the elderly. Bioroids might be suitable for and acceptable in the role of carers.
Furthermore, there have been a few cases of physical abuse by carers of their patients, so there might be a pressure to put more "trustworthy" carers in charge of vulnerable patients.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:42 AM   #33
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This could simply be that sufficiently advanced AI is perpetually 10 years away.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:58 AM   #34
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This could simply be that sufficiently advanced AI is perpetually 10 years away.
I think it's in line behind flying cars and fusion power.

If people are not able to create machines smarter than they are easily and directly and/or those machines can't make more machines even smarter than they are and then the software for the new smarter machines doesn't come together in a swift and efficinent manner.....well, you may end up with what are now mainframe capabilities in your smartphone without ever seeing the Singularity.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:04 AM   #35
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You do not need the Singularity to have an AI apocalypse, you just need AIs being given the wrong orders, especially if they do exactly what they are ordered.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:13 AM   #36
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I think it's in line behind flying cars and fusion power.

If people are not able to create machines smarter than they are easily and directly and/or those machines can't make more machines even smarter than they are and then the software for the new smarter machines doesn't come together in a swift and efficinent manner.....well, you may end up with what are now mainframe capabilities in your smartphone without ever seeing the Singularity.
While bioroids arguably are built with an operating system to which intelligence is a native feature. It could be that accelerated teaching to a nature-evolved processor with a million years of development is computationally easier than getting a machine to think or emote.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:35 AM   #37
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You do not need the Singularity to have an AI apocalypse, you just need AIs being given the wrong orders, especially if they do exactly what they are ordered.
You do need AIs though and something only 1 or maybe 2 notches beyond the current State of the Art isn't going to be given that much unsupervised capability.
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Old 09-29-2020, 01:04 PM   #38
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Bioroids recently emancipated from ownership as property. They are everywhere because every industry used them for labor now they're struggling to define themselves.

Bioroids covertly built and used by an insidious amazon-esque bioware firm by the tens of thousands are discovered and freed. Society is struggling to adapt to their presence.

Bioroids are differentiated by qualities that make them able to be seen as non-human, animal features, short height, no vocal speech, and a slightly evil society justifies their oppression.
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Old 09-29-2020, 01:28 PM   #39
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The assumption in a lot of transhuman settings is that people will have loads of parahuman children yet bioroids are somehow less desirable is a bit odd. I just consider them to be part of the same phenomenon, biological variations of humanity (though I find bioroids much less threatening because of their sterility).
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Old 09-29-2020, 04:17 PM   #40
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The assumption in a lot of transhuman settings is that people will have loads of parahuman children yet bioroids are somehow less desirable is a bit odd. I just consider them to be part of the same phenomenon, biological variations of humanity (though I find bioroids much less threatening because of their sterility).
Parahuman children still pass your genes down to future generations (although perhaps not quite as many of them, thanks to the modifications), and certainly serve as a continuation of your family (arguably even more so than adopted children). Sterile bioroids can’t do either; they’re arguably no more a continuation of your line than a long-lived pet.
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