01-28-2016, 03:41 AM | #11 |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
I'm drawing a complete bank on the terminology but many polearm heads partially encased a fair bit of the shaft. More so with heavier heads.
Personally as a GM I allowed the use of a spear with the staff skill with a change of grip action. But I ruled most polearms where too heavy for the same treatment and only allowed it with the lighter polearm provided the user had specific training such as a martial art. The was a perk from memory that covered changing grips. (Away from books) not sure if it's a published perk though How you held the weapon was the defining condition.
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01-28-2016, 04:02 AM | #12 |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
Yes as Kromm has stated the Unbalanced (+0U) part makes a difference. Only balanced polearms used with the Staff skill get the +2
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01-28-2016, 04:22 AM | #13 | |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
Though Kromm once did approve of Iceland's house rule for staff fighters that might interest you.
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01-28-2016, 04:46 AM | #14 |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
I love the conversation going on right now. It seems the general consensus considers the intention of the rules to provide the +2 parry bonus when only using a "balanced" pole weapon with the Staff skill. But please do continue to share your opinions.
I am interested in hearing your thoughts on the perk Weapon Adaptation (Polearm to Staff) (Martial Arts p. 52). The book reads: Each adaptation is a separate perk; e.g., Weapon Adaptation (Shortsword to Smallsword) lets you use the Smallsword skill to fight when equipped with a Shortsword weapon – complete with fencing parries, superior retreats, and encumbrance penalties.It seems to me that just as a shortsword gains the fencing capabilities listed under the Smallsword skill, so too does a polearm gain the parrying capabilities listed under the Staff skill (i.e. +2 parry). This also leads to the question of--does anything else transfer over? Are there new damage types and amounts, or do you use the original ones? Are there new Reach restrictions? Essentially: what is innate to the weapon, and what is innate to the skill? What are your thoughts on this? Thanks for your replies so far! Last edited by bearit; 01-28-2016 at 04:59 AM. |
01-28-2016, 04:55 AM | #15 | |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
Note that Kromm allows using the Staff skill with a Bill-head on a Staff staff:
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01-28-2016, 06:09 AM | #16 | |
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01-28-2016, 07:15 AM | #17 | |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
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When a benefit or drawback is part of the skill and not part of the weapon, then Weapon Adaptation grants the benefit by wielding a weapon with the chosen skill. |
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01-28-2016, 08:15 AM | #18 | |
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I find Weapon Adaptation to be much clearer if you ignore the way it is written and interpret it as "Adds a line to the Weapon Table under the extended skill allowing it to be used with some weapon not ordinarily covered". This new line can be borrowed from a line that already exists under another skill, but does not have to be, and can be edited if it is. Yes this requires the GM to determine all the specifics rather than providing some deterministic mechanism for the rules lawyers, but personally I consider that a positive feature.
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01-28-2016, 09:01 AM | #19 |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
To me, an interpretation of the rules should be in accordance with the intention behind the rule. My post is an example of the traps related to the so called "RAW" attitude.
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01-28-2016, 09:13 AM | #20 |
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Re: Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation
That might tell us that making a Combination Weapon out of a staff and a spearhead while still wielding the blasted thing with Staff rather than Spear would be unreasonable- but it doesn't help us answer the broader point of whether the parry bonus for staffs is inherent in the statline of the weapon or the description of the skill, and what effect Form Mastery is supposed to have. The rules text is sufficiently ambiguous that it's difficult to discern the intent.
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