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Old 06-17-2018, 01:14 PM   #1
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Default Hirelings + Time of day items

Yo, you guys mind clearing something up? If the "Staff of the slain" grants an extra +3 to Pathfinders during the hours of 4pm - 7pm, if this card is Cheat!ed, or used with a Hireling which "let's you use an item you otherwise would not be able to", then you could get the extra +3?

Cheats and Hirelings ignore Sex/Race/Class/Slot/Big and Small requirement, so I'd assume it'd bypass time of day, right? Letting you use an item you otherwise could not?

Lastly, if Staff Of The Slain can be used this way, it was mentioned at the table that Vorpal Sword has a Subtext of +10 to monsters with "J" in its name, if this item is cheated then you can ignore this subtext too and +10 against every monster? Just because the Staff of the slain's subtext is also being ignored?

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Old 06-17-2018, 08:15 PM   #2
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Cheat! lets you use the thing. It doesn’t make the thing do stuff it normally wouldn’t.
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Old 06-18-2018, 12:30 PM   #3
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Default Re: Hirelings + Time of day items

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Cheat! lets you use the thing. It doesn’t make the thing do stuff it normally wouldn’t.
This is correct. You can use it, but you don't get the best possible bonus if the conditions for that bonus aren't met.
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Old 06-18-2018, 02:01 PM   #4
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This is correct. You can use it, but you don't get the best possible bonus if the conditions for that bonus aren't met.
Thanks. I don't understand where the line is drawn, say an item is +5, two hands, big item, usable by warriors only, but elves get a further +5, but you're neither a warrior or elf. A cheat would only give you +5 but bypass the hand, big, race, class, gender and faction requirements, but not in the item's subtext.

So if subtext specifically says a certain trait/gender/class/race/time of day is required, this cannot be Cheat!ed.

Lol ultimately Staff Of The Slain being a further +3 to Pathfinders between 4-7pm cannot be cheated and counted; It can only be +4, its original bonus.

Right?

*EDIT* So the FAQ says "Cheat! completely negates the requirements of an Item" if the item is required to be used at 4-7pm by Pathfinders, is this not a requirement that can be used with Cheat?

Last edited by Rawnfella; 06-18-2018 at 02:26 PM. Reason: FAQ revision
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Old 06-18-2018, 02:56 PM   #5
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Default Re: Hirelings + Time of day items

If I understand you correctly, the time period isn't a requirement for USE, though. It is simply a requirement for an added bonus. Cheat! lets you USE something that wouldn't otherwise be legal. If the item is already legal for you to use, but only gives an extra bonus under certain circumstances, Cheat! doesn't let you get the added bonus.
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Old 06-18-2018, 07:21 PM   #6
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Makes perfect sense, so Cheat! doesn’t let you use the full item to its potential by bypassing race/gender/class requirements, it merely lets you equipt it?
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Old 06-25-2018, 09:16 AM   #7
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Makes perfect sense, so Cheat! doesn’t let you use the full item to its potential by bypassing race/gender/class requirements, it merely lets you equipt it?
That is correct.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:58 AM   #8
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Cheat! lets you use the higher bonus on Morningstar and Nightstick, which are time-based items.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:19 AM   #9
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Cheat! lets you use the higher bonus on Morningstar and Nightstick, which are time-based items.
True, but that's an ability of those cards, not of Cheat! in general.
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