Lifting ST

[InexplicableVic]

Dwarves have Lifting ST 2. Barbarians can purchase Lifting ST 1-3. Clearly a Dwarven Barbarian can have up to Lifting ST 5. Question: Can Dwarves who are not barbarians increase Lifting ST from 2 to 3? Presumably no, because Pickaxe Penchant specifically states that it can be improved up to Level 4, but neither Lifting ST nor Tough Skin note that on pages 43 and 44, respectively. It seems like the maximum on Lifting ST is 2 for Dwarves, 3 for non-Dwarven Barbarians, and 5 for Dwarven Barbarians. Correct?

[Anders]

That's my interpretation.

[clu2415]

I believe you have it right for catfolk with striking strength, dwarves with lifting strength, etc. However, barbarians may be able to take more than 3 levels of Lifting ST. Compare with Temperature Tolerance, which has an explicit limit.

[zoncxs]

Originally Posted by clu2415

I believe you have it right for catfolk with striking strength, dwarves with lifting strength, etc. However, barbarians may be able to take more than 3 levels of Lifting ST. Compare with Temperature Tolerance, which has an explicit limit.

Lifting ST for barbarians have an explicit limit, its 3. It clearly shows it as "Lifting ST 1-3 [3/level]" just like Temperature Tolerance has "Temperature Tolerance 1-3 [1/level]".

Temperature Tolerance has to further explain what it is and the fact that you can have it for both hot and cold, which makes it 2 in one, and then it reiterates the limit for both being only 3.

[ArchonShiva]

Lifting ST is listed in the Barbarian template. Unless called out, buying Lifting ST it is entirely off-limits to non-barbarians.

Dwarves get two levels built-in because they are dwarves. That’s it. They still can’t buy it.

[clu2415]

Originally Posted by zoncxs

Lifting ST for barbarians have an explicit limit, its 3. It clearly shows it as "Lifting ST 1-3 [3/level]" just like Temperature Tolerance has "Temperature Tolerance 1-3 [1/level]".

Is there someone that is made explicit?

[Harald387]

Originally Posted by clu2415

Is there someone that is made explicit?

"Maximum Advantage Level", on Adventurers p.46. In the case of Lifting ST, no maximum is noted in the description itself and it's not mentioned under Exceptional Abilities (Exploits, p.93) which means that its maximum is the maximum noted on the professional template: 3 levels.

[zoncxs]

Originally Posted by clu2415

Is there someone that is made explicit?

Originally Posted by Harald387

"Maximum Advantage Level", on Adventurers p.46. In the case of Lifting ST, no maximum is noted in the description itself and it's not mentioned under Exceptional Abilities (Exploits, p.93) which means that its maximum is the maximum noted on the professional template: 3 levels.

Though, to clarify a little bit more. What I meant was that, after racial template stuff, the barbarian can have up to +3 lifting ST.

So a human barbarian and a dwarven barbarian can both have +3 lifting ST, but the dwarf will also have an additional +2 for being a dwarf. page 42 talks about how this works.