[DF] Tempered Glass Armor and Tempered Glass Shields

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

The obvious would be large shields that don't give -2 to attacks.

The -2 comes from the large shield actually interfering with swings and thrusts. Not with 'not being able to see around it".

[Culture20]

Originally Posted by Tomsdad

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*I know you don't hold your shield in front of your eyes, but a larger shield can block off your vision to some bits of the immediate area, an effect that can be taken advantage of if you're not careful.

A shield used for cover would block vision (unless transparent).

[Varyon]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

The -2 comes from the large shield actually interfering with swings and thrusts. Not with 'not being able to see around it".

Agreed, and note that sufficient training (the Shield Wall Training Perk, specifically) negates that penalty. As Culture20 implies, of course, an advantage of a transparent shield is that you can use it as Cover for the Face (and other locations) without blinding yourself. Consider this proposal from Kromm.

Of course, there's no guarantee Tempered Glass is transparent, or even translucent enough to be able to get away with a full-faced helm or looking through a shield. A good discussion on that (in which the DF8 author weighed in, but explicitly in a non-official standing) can be found starting here.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Varyon

A good discussion on that (in which the DF8 author weighed in, but explicitly in a non-official standing) can be found starting here.

A better link.

[Varyon]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

A better link.

There was more to the discussion than just the author's (explicitly non-canonical) weigh-in on the subject, including about what stats tempered glass armor would have and arguments both for and against tempered glass being translucent/clear. That's why I opted to link to the start of it, as many of the points there would be relevant here.

For what it's worth, however, I think I like the linked interpretation better than the one that has tempered glass being clear.

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by Culture20

A shield used for cover would block vision (unless transparent).

True, if you look at riot police tactics you see use this potential advantage in effect*. Although more the chaps who form the supporting shield wall with the big full body shields in the link I gave rather than the chaps with the smaller round shields who act as a mobile strike force with the shieldwall as their back stop



*As well as transparent visors as mantioned earlier on both

[AlexanderHowl]

I would think that a society that used transparent armor would soon face a lot of light-based attacks and visual-based attacks.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Varyon

There was more to the discussion than just the author's (explicitly non-canonical) weigh-in on the subject...

And not everyone knows that Turhan's Bey Company is the estimable Matt Rigbsy, or that he is the author of that book without looking it up.

I was just saving a few people some time is all.