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Re: Has anyone ever tried to create campaign based on Plato's Repuplic?
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09-11-2019, 07:45 AM | #22 | |
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09-11-2019, 12:39 PM | #23 | |
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(In that there have been fairly successful small communist societies, but anything over 50-100 or so people and the commune structure breaks down and becomes oligarchic socialism) Ditto actually. |
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09-11-2019, 02:28 PM | #24 | |
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I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the "sharing" is really an ongoing process of exchange, spread out over time, and in a society small enough so everyone knows who's pulling their weight and who isn't.
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Everybody knows everybody, the culture (to the extent any exists, at all) is wholly homogeneous, and kinship ties are well-understood. That means any conflict can be (and usually is) resolved through either personal vendetta, or enforced conformity via social pressures backed by threat of exile. No need for government, there and no social classes, either.
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09-12-2019, 12:23 AM | #26 | |
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Now, isn't conflict the actual element to make a story around utopias? Something like, the struggle to keep the status quo in front of their perpetrators (which usually are, outsiders). Suddenly I recall the planet of the apes.
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09-12-2019, 12:37 AM | #27 | |
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I don't think that the qualifier about whether they have a culture is valid at all. A human society can't be without a culture, at least unless it's becoming extinct, if then. I've read, for example, that language studies of small, isolated groups find that they have incredibly complicated and irregular grammars, much more so than English or Mandarin or Arabic. . . .
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There's also a history of slightly larger communities making communism work, if they're composed of ideologically well motivated volunteers. These societies don't always work, but many can pull it off for a few decades. At which point the make-up of the community has changed via births, deaths, and so forth, and it enters a slow decline.
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(Wait. I think the apocalypse is nigh....) 8O Quote:
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09-12-2019, 09:07 PM | #30 | |
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For instance if they have no way to end vendettas, they will have a generations long attempt at mutual genocide. And it will cause so many casualties in the end that it is a toss up whether or not it is be just as well if one tribe just wipes out or enslaves the other instead of dragging the mess out and getting more people killed.
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