07-23-2014, 08:15 AM | #1 |
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[RPM] Mind Control type spells
Hello, yet another RPM related question.. Even I'm getting tired of me asking so many questions!
Three spells related to Mind Control (Bind Sylph - binds a sylph to your command for duration of spell) and (Bind Troll - binds a troll to your command) and (Bind Dragon - binds a dragon to your command). How would one build spells like this in RPM? I wanted to use Add a Trait (Mind Control, accessibility: Sylphs only, -80%) but realize quite quickly that these three spells would all have the same base cost before greater/lesser modifiers... I could easily say the Dragon is a Greater Control Mind.. and that would add some variance in price... but it still leaves the troll costing the same as the sylph or the dragon and I know I'm not thinking things through correctly. How does everyone else handle spells that might control or bind a specific type of creature over just a one-mind-control-spell-fits-all approach? Has anyone done it? Should it be done? Thanks for any insight. Everyone has been very helpful to me so far. |
07-23-2014, 08:25 AM | #2 |
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Re: [RPM] Mind Control type spells
Unsurprisingly, Ghostdancer's got you covered. Scroll down a bit for the Summoned modifier, and apply that to your mind control spells - yes, it's called "Summoned," but it's more like "Create Ally." In all cases, I'd say it's a Greater Control effect, although it's not necessarily going to use Path of Mind - Fay are typically affected by Path of Spirit. Lesser Control Mind/Spirit might make someone like you a bit more or stop a specific action (or make them dislike someone else), but to turn them into a minion is going to be a Greater effect.
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07-23-2014, 08:25 AM | #3 |
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Re: [RPM] Mind Control type spells
Mind control in RPM is canonically just a 'Control <Mind/Undead/Spirit>' effect - it doesn't need any of the special modifiers except Duration.
EDIT: The summoned modifier isn't intended for mind control effects, which RPM already handles - it's intended for summoning effects, hence the name and description. If you want to have differences in the price of the rituals, then you'd want to add a penalty to the creature's Will roll to resist your magic. Lesser/Greater effect also works, though canonically the difference is the degree of control you have rather than the creature type you can control. Last edited by Langy; 07-23-2014 at 08:29 AM. |
07-23-2014, 08:49 AM | #4 | |
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07-23-2014, 08:52 AM | #5 |
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Re: [RPM] Mind Control type spells
It occurs to me that if you want to make mind control more expensive for higher point total creatures, maybe use a variant of my Summoned modifier to add a surcharge of energy, but at half the listed cost. Hmmm
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07-23-2014, 08:55 AM | #6 |
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Re: [RPM] Mind Control type spells
Eh, it's the same as saying "This spell ignores 5 Magic Resistance/Will/HT," but, without having to make up new modifiers.
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07-23-2014, 09:08 AM | #7 |
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Re: [RPM] Mind Control type spells
I've always (well, since I saw it) felt Summoned is a "creates an Ally" modifier. Using it on existing creatures is actually more useful than outright summoning a demon or whatever - you don't have to pay quite as much (no need for crossing dimensions, contacting nearby creatures to come to your aid, raising the dead, or whatever), and it transforms an enemy into an ally - it simultaneously gives your side a +1 in numbers and gives the enemy side a -1! Making it still cheaper would probably be a bit too far (although certainly you'd still be paying more than the apparent "Use Greater Control, get a new ally" scheme of RPM).
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Dragons do (or should) have a tremendous amount of Will/Resistance.. and probably wasn't an ideal example in this situation. A Tyrannosaurus Rex, on the otherhand, probably has a nice high CP value, and probably doesn't have the same mental resistances that a dragon has, and would have been much more suitable to the example. |
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