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Old 06-13-2019, 12:29 PM   #1
kjamma4
 
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Default You roll a 5 when entering HTH and the hex you came from is now occupied?

If you are disengaged and enter an enemy's hex for HTH combat but during the remainder of movement, someone else enters the hex you were in prior to moving into HTH, what happens if the defense roll is a 5?

You go back to the hex but fall down?
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:49 PM   #2
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Default Re: You roll a 5 when entering HTH and the hex you came from is now occupied?

Resolve the HTH initiation attempt at the time the figure attempts to move into the target's hex (before the remainder of the movement phase), so there is no such confusion.

e.g. You move to the rear hex and then when you say you are attempting HTH, roll the die immediately and apply the result, before anyone could try to also move into that rear hex. If you roll a 5, you stop your movement starting in the target's rear hex, and that hex is now blocked to other figures during the rest of movement.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:57 PM   #3
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Default Re: You roll a 5 when entering HTH and the hex you came from is now occupied?

I'm looking at an older version right now but it says that a disengaged figure picks option (b) to initiate HTH combat and moves onto the enemy's hex during movement and attacks during combat.

It further says that when a figure is attacked HTH, it immediately rolls the die.

Notwithstanding the RAW, your explanation makes sense as the only way you COULD enter the enemy hex is to initiate HTH - no other option is available at that point.

Thanks.
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Old 06-13-2019, 01:10 PM   #4
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I believe what that first old line means is that if you manage to get someone into HTH through their rear hex during Movement (as opposed to initiating HTH as an action, which is the only way to do it when Engaged), then you will get to do a physical attack for damage during the Action phase.

i.e.
Movement Phase:
Bob moves, initiates HTH and succeeds.
Other figures move.

Action Phase:
Carl initiates HTH with someone else and succeeds, as an action.
Bob gets to physically attack his foe in HTH for damage.
(Carl took his action this turn, so he gets no physical attack this turn.)
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Old 06-13-2019, 08:32 PM   #5
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Default Re: You roll a 5 when entering HTH and the hex you came from is now occupied?

On a related topic: Do you still get to attack when a HTH attempt is rejected with a 5 or 6? (we never did)

When you initiate HTH and if you roll a 1,2,3,4 you succeed in moving onto your foe's hex (often during actions phase but either way). And in the same turn during actions you are allowed to attack your foe: Hopefully you had a dagger in hand when you initiated HTH or bare handed.

What if you roll a 5 or 6. You got rejected from HTH. Do you still get to attack during actions. If you had a dagger out then with that. If any other weapon then you dropped it before your failed HTH engagement. So, do you get to do a punch or dagger stab in that same action phase from 1 hex range?
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Old 06-13-2019, 11:47 PM   #6
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On a related topic: Do you still get to attack when a HTH attempt is rejected with a 5 or 6? (we never did)

When you initiate HTH and if you roll a 1,2,3,4 you succeed in moving onto your foe's hex (often during actions phase but either way). And in the same turn during actions you are allowed to attack your foe: Hopefully you had a dagger in hand when you initiated HTH or bare handed.

What if you roll a 5 or 6. You got rejected from HTH. Do you still get to attack during actions. If you had a dagger out then with that. If any other weapon then you dropped it before your failed HTH engagement. So, do you get to do a punch or dagger stab in that same action phase from 1 hex range?
Clearly not if HTH was attempted as an action.

But if your HTH attempt was during the Movement phase, then I think it's not clearly defined in the rules. It seems to me that attempting HTH during movement, and failing, should probably count as the figure's entire action. A deciding point for me about that is that if the figure is allowed to take another action after failing to get into HTH during Movement, is that then they could also use their Action to attempt HTH, which to me would excessive, especially if they have higher adjDX.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:52 PM   #7
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If you are disengaged and enter an enemy's hex for HTH combat but during the remainder of movement, someone else enters the hex you were in prior to moving into HTH, what happens if the defense roll is a 5?

You go back to the hex but fall down?
Surely the Defence roll is made immediately there is an attempt at HTH, so the attacker would immediately revert to their original hex. There would be no opportunity for another figure to enter that hex in the meantime.
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