Deus Ex Machine Gun

martin88 · 04-15-2012, 02:01 PM

Hi all, this is my first post since joining the forums so im sorry its one asking for advice or opinions.

Basically i bought the game yesterday along with 5 expansions and 5 little blister packs fairy dust etc.

A friend got the deus ex machine gun a treasure from munchkin 3 clerical errors and it says he can use it during ANY combat. He then took it upon himself to destroy everyone elses monsters. Since the gun kills any monster and the gods take the treasure and levels we were quite simply buggered. This has to be the wrong way of using the card?

Since my deck currently consists of a stupid number of cards. Munchkin Deluxe plus all the expansions and blister packs... (had to try it atleast once) i have not gone right through the cards to have a good look at the machine gun yet but i do intend to.

Any thoughts?

MunchkinMan · 04-15-2012, 02:32 PM

Well, here's the key: Deus Ex Machinegun is not an Item. Therefore, it falls under the rules for Treasure cards that are "specials": Play it when appropriate (in this case, during combat), then discard it.

Should your friend try to argue: That's the final, absolute, official word on the subject.

Clipper · 04-15-2012, 02:41 PM

It sounds like you are saying he was keeping it in play and using it on every combat. Cards that are 'played during combat' should be discarded at the end of combat. It's not an Item, and doesn't provide a bonus (unlike Really Impressive Title) so it can't be kept in play in front of you.

Edit: Took too long trying to find the card in my set to confirm the text before posting this, so Erik got there first...

martin88 · 04-15-2012, 02:43 PM

Thanks for that. See he was arguing that it does not say "usable only once"

MunchkinMan · 04-15-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by martin88

Thanks for that. See he was arguing that it does not say "usable only once"

It doesn't need to. It's not an Item, nor does it provide a continuing bonus like an Item, so, as per the rules, it doesn't stay in play; It gets discarded after being played.

martin88 · 04-17-2012, 04:45 AM

Well thank you for clearing that up for me. As owner of the game i get final say and i shall use this thread to enforce my arguement. I think he should get a permanent -1 for the next game !

Pleh · 04-17-2012, 08:42 AM

The rules only give instructions on how to prevent cheating. They do not give any guidance on how to penalize cheaters. Giving a static -1 for a whole game seems a bit spiteful rather than just.

My advice would probably be to always leave it on the field. If someone cheated because the rules weren't well enough known and someone gets away with it, let them have it. Just don't let them do it again. In fact, this goes for anything. In a game where half the fun is betraying your friends, it's best for everyone to be able to leave any bad feelings generated by any one game with that game so that when the game ends, the bad feelings end with them. If not, then the bad feelings could spoil future games as people stop playing to have fun and start playing to get back at each other.

04-15-2012, 02:01 PM	#1
martin88 Join Date: Apr 2012	Deus Ex Machine Gun Hi all, this is my first post since joining the forums so im sorry its one asking for advice or opinions. Basically i bought the game yesterday along with 5 expansions and 5 little blister packs fairy dust etc. A friend got the deus ex machine gun a treasure from munchkin 3 clerical errors and it says he can use it during ANY combat. He then took it upon himself to destroy everyone elses monsters. Since the gun kills any monster and the gods take the treasure and levels we were quite simply buggered. This has to be the wrong way of using the card? Since my deck currently consists of a stupid number of cards. Munchkin Deluxe plus all the expansions and blister packs... (had to try it atleast once) i have not gone right through the cards to have a good look at the machine gun yet but i do intend to. Any thoughts?

04-15-2012, 02:32 PM	#2
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: Deus Ex Machine Gun Well, here's the key: Deus Ex Machinegun is not an Item. Therefore, it falls under the rules for Treasure cards that are "specials": Play it when appropriate (in this case, during combat), then discard it. Should your friend try to argue: That's the final, absolute, official word on the subject. __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029

04-15-2012, 02:41 PM	#3
Clipper Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia	Re: Deus Ex Machine Gun It sounds like you are saying he was keeping it in play and using it on every combat. Cards that are 'played during combat' should be discarded at the end of combat. It's not an Item, and doesn't provide a bonus (unlike Really Impressive Title) so it can't be kept in play in front of you. Edit: Took too long trying to find the card in my set to confirm the text before posting this, so Erik got there first...

04-15-2012, 02:43 PM	#4
martin88 Join Date: Apr 2012	Re: Deus Ex Machine Gun Thanks for that. See he was arguing that it does not say "usable only once"

04-17-2012, 04:45 AM	#6
martin88 Join Date: Apr 2012	Re: Deus Ex Machine Gun Well thank you for clearing that up for me. As owner of the game i get final say and i shall use this thread to enforce my arguement. I think he should get a permanent -1 for the next game !

04-17-2012, 08:42 AM	#7
Pleh Join Date: Sep 2011	Re: Deus Ex Machine Gun The rules only give instructions on how to prevent cheating. They do not give any guidance on how to penalize cheaters. Giving a static -1 for a whole game seems a bit spiteful rather than just. My advice would probably be to always leave it on the field. If someone cheated because the rules weren't well enough known and someone gets away with it, let them have it. Just don't let them do it again. In fact, this goes for anything. In a game where half the fun is betraying your friends, it's best for everyone to be able to leave any bad feelings generated by any one game with that game so that when the game ends, the bad feelings end with them. If not, then the bad feelings could spoil future games as people stop playing to have fun and start playing to get back at each other. __________________ I am a Halfing with a Turtle Steed and a Stepladder. Beware my Flask of Glue!