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Old 05-11-2019, 07:57 PM   #1
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Has anyone ever thought about reading Laumer's or (who ever wrote Slammers) books with the purpose of using them as design basics for new Ogre Scenarios?

Or, considering that, how about designing counters and units based upon those universes? Seems like something that's just Begging to be done.
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:43 AM   #2
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Has anyone ever thought about reading Laumer's or (who ever wrote Slammers) books with the purpose of using them as design basics for new Ogre Scenarios?
David Drake wrote Hammer's Slammers. If you like Military Sci Fi it's top notch stuff.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:42 AM   #3
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Yes, I love Military Sci-Fi and have read and collected all of the Slammer stories. Just couldn't recall the author. I've recently come to know John Hemry (writing as Jack Campbell). He's writing the Lost Fleet, Lost Planets, and Genesis Fleet series. He also wrote Stark's Marines, which I think might translate well to Ogre. The two "Fleet" series are more in line with GMT's new Talon series.

Speaking of Talon, I wonder if there might be a willingness to consider a sort of "joint" cooperative effort to develop Talon and Ogre "cooperating" games? That is to say write variant rules so the two games can be used together rather akin to how the Confederated Fleets and the Bolos did in Laumer's books.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:31 PM   #4
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I realize this is seriously threatening to drag this thread off topic, but while we're recommending authors, I've been enjoying all the novels by Ian Douglas recently, perhaps more commonly known as William H. Keith Jr from Traveller fame. If you haven't read them, they are well worth your time. Not too much that can carry over to Ogre, but great reads nonetheless.

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Old 05-13-2019, 09:43 PM   #5
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I couldn't agree more.

When it come to sci-fi, my three favorite authors/series are:
- Hammer's Slammers
- Bolo novels
- Heinlein's works

There are others in the top 10, but these are the premier series. (Note: The Honor Harrington novels are probably fourth on my list)

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Old 05-15-2019, 02:49 PM   #6
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On-topic: It *is* possible to blend _OGRE_ and the old Mayfair edition of the _Hammer's Slammers_ boardgame -- sending Slick Des Grieux against a Mk. V can be impressively bloody....

In fact, there's a slew of games which can be combined with _O_, for maximum bloodshed and "in what alternate reality did *this* seem like a Good Idea" responses:

_Hammer's Slammers_, Mayfair ed.
_Starship Troopers_, Avalon Hill ed.
_Battle of Kalnock_/_Battle of Stanrey_ (Japanese games based on the _Sun Fang Dougram_ anime series)
_S.F.3.D_ (another Japanese game)
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:25 PM   #7
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I realize this is seriously threatening to drag this thread off topic, but while we're recommending authors,
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No, you're not dragging things off topic. In fact I think it's a good idea for Ogre fans to recall other series that have the ability to provide us with more scenarios. For instance perhaps two of us fans remember the same book and design scenarios for it. One of us might have a better idea and better design for one.

Also, identifying other series might give us all access to book series we didn't know exisited and from which, after reading we can contribute more for our favorite Ogre game.

So, go right ahead remembering those books that impress you, and when I stumble across more I will too.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:28 PM   #8
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Unfortunately this topic has been brought forward many times and has merit. The issue always being that a BOLO being a planetary siege unit would decimate an Ogre of any size which is a continental siege unit; unless you dial it back to say a Mark XV or XX.

The Slammers really never got into AI vehicles as I remember(been a while since I read them). The stories were more about the men with the vehicles being the icing on the cake.

The Old GUY chronicles fall in the same vein but are very enjoyable.

I just picked up the Slammers board game so maybe I can get into it soon.
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The Slammers really never got into AI vehicles as I remember(been a while since I read them). The stories were more about the men with the vehicles being the icing on the cake.
To my knowledge: The Slammers universe did not have full-AI at all; the closest it came was the system the Slammers used to coordinate units movement and fire ("Booster", I believe it was referred to as).
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Old 05-18-2019, 12:57 PM   #10
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a BOLO being a planetary siege unit would decimate an Ogre of any size which is a continental siege unit; unless you dial it back to say a Mark XV or XX.

The Slammers really never got into AI vehicles

I just picked up the Slammers board game so maybe I can get into it soon.
I will have to check out the "Old Guy Chronicles"

Describing Bolos and Ogres as planetary and continental might have some technical merit for those who like to describe the minutia that describes a difference between Dragoons and Curisassuirs, but what we're really looking for are just descriptions of scenarios to which we can apply Ogre rules and game pieces. We could just as easily do the same with the old Avalon Hill game "Arab-Israeli Wars" or Panzer Leader, etc. The purpose is merely to provide source material for scenario design.

By the way, I Too have the Slammer's board game :)
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