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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
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DR 10 Front, DR 4 Back, $1323, 13.23 lbs.
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
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9-10 Torso (0) 11 Groin (-3) |
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10-12-2016, 12:40 PM | #13 |
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
They can't both be correct.
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10-12-2016, 12:43 PM | #14 |
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
What is correct has been 'clarified' by Low-Tech.
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10-12-2016, 12:47 PM | #15 |
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
The reuse of a term to specify a different thing without giving errata on the old usage is certainly "clarifying".
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10-12-2016, 12:53 PM | #16 |
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
That is Gurps rules in quite many places.
One can trace the hit location confusion from third edition where location 11 was a large area on the lower abdomen including hips and more called the groin. then in 4th edition they did not change the hit location name or probability to hit but drew that picture on 282, that is a LOT smaller area than the 3rd edition picture on page 211 of the basic set, revised. Then someone noticed at some point that the 12.5% probability to hit such small area did not make sense and changed things again in LT. |
10-12-2016, 12:55 PM | #17 |
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
Or they can have a history of messy terminology, which is true even in Basic -- a slightly different version of the diagram on B282 appears on B399, and in the text right next to the diagram it says "Groin (-3): the lower torso". It's simplest to assume that the diagram is just wrong, since a -3 to hit location should be significantly larger than is shown on the diagram.
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10-12-2016, 01:00 PM | #18 |
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
Right. In Basic, the Abdomen is basically in the 9-10 range. That is the torso.
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Re: High/Ultra-Tech Versions of Low-Tech Armor
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8.57lbs for the front and 3.43lbs for the back (edit: this is a simplification as even the back and front is the same in terms of the area being covered, the front plate is likely to be angled more than the back plate allowing for relative reduced weight for the same protection). If you use the chest location/area and armour by material design rules to retroactively derive material values from the pyramid articles I mentioned, you end up with very, very good steel (WM = 0.40) Last edited by Tomsdad; 10-14-2016 at 12:00 AM. Reason: Point about angled protection |
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Pg282 doesn't number hit locations it just groups areas into broader categories (areas that are defined with location numbers elsewhere), one such group is: Body = Neck, Torso & Groin i.e. Torso and Groin are separate, even if they are grouped under 'Body' along with Neck, but "Body" never gets a hit location range and doesn't appear elsewhere*) Pg552 Gives you hit location ranges for those sub areas Groin is 11, Torso is 9-10, Neck 17-18, Pg398 defines the Torso location as containing chest and abdomen (this is also the area HT has the Corselet covering) As noted LT then later divides the Torso again into Abdomen and Chest which are now separate locations Chest (9-10), Abdomen (11), groin now being subsumed into the abdomen, but still capable of being separately targeted as per Dan's rules in Load outs. And as Dan has already pointed out breastplate etc generally only cover the chest location and not the abdomen so all pages are consistent but they are talking about slightly different things. Not hugely clear I agree! *actually not quite true, the buff coat in basic pg 283 and ballistic suit in pg284 are cited as covering the 'body' as are various body suits in UT, but it's not ever referenced as a hit location in combat with a number range. So as by pg292 they cover Torso, Neck and Groin Last edited by Tomsdad; 10-12-2016 at 11:28 PM. |
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