Cleric Resurrection

endeavor · 06-20-2010, 09:46 PM

1. Bought the game yesterday 17th edition.

2. Got online and found the rules modifications for 19th edition.

3. Found a previous post on Cleric Resurrection that indicated that the player must declare X cards and then discard X cards from those drawn or already in hand.

Question: Since the number of cards in the discard pile is most often unknown, can the player just declare an extremely large number to guarantee that the entire discard pile is available to choose from or must the number X declared be within the range of cards in the discard pile? Does this ability work on both discard piles, i.e. when drawing from the Doors Pile or Treasures Piles?

I may be mistaken but this ability appears to be "broken". Is this the case?

RevBob · 06-21-2010, 01:16 AM

You seem to have overlooked a key element. The Cleric doesn't get to pick and choose cards out of the discards - he gets the top X cards, and X is limited both by the number of cards in the Cleric's hand and the number of cards he's eligible to draw face-up.

As for which discard pile - whichever one matches the cards he's supposed to draw face-up. So if he had help in a combat and the monsters were worth 5 treasures but the Cleric only has two cards in his hand, the Cleric can discard both cards to resurrect the top two treasure discards (or one to resurrect one, or none to ignore the ability), then he'd draw the rest as normal: face-up from the treasure deck.

So, no - not especially broken at all.

Nerftw · 06-21-2010, 06:56 AM

Also, it's probably best to use whatever the card you have says. Otherwise you'll just confuse yourself.

There is an expansion you can order now called Go Up A Level that has the updated class and race cards for all flavors of Munchkin, plus other cards that were changed. (You can see those in the Change Log)

I'd personally suggest not using the new class abilities until you buy that, so you have the exact text on the card in front of you.

RevBob · 06-21-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerftw

There is an expansion you can order now called Go Up A Level

Point of clarification: although you can order it now, it is still at the printer, slated for a September release.

MunchkinMan · 06-21-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerftw

Also, it's probably best to use whatever the card you have says. Otherwise you'll just confuse yourself.

There is an expansion you can order now called Go Up A Level that has the updated class and race cards for all flavors of Munchkin, plus other cards that were changed. (You can see those in the Change Log)

I'd personally suggest not using the new class abilities until you buy that, so you have the exact text on the card in front of you.

This doesn't change the fact that the rewrite of the Cleric only clarifies what was intended on the original Cleric, and ruled here anyway, so that ruling stands, regardless of which printing of the Cleric you use.

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Originally Posted by RevBob

You seem to have overlooked a key element. The Cleric doesn't get to pick and choose cards out of the discards - he gets the top X cards, and X is limited both by the number of cards in the Cleric's hand and the number of cards he's eligible to draw face-up.

As for which discard pile - whichever one matches the cards he's supposed to draw face-up. So if he had help in a combat and the monsters were worth 5 treasures but the Cleric only has two cards in his hand, the Cleric can discard both cards to resurrect the top two treasure discards (or one to resurrect one, or none to ignore the ability), then he'd draw the rest as normal: face-up from the treasure deck.

The key thing to infer here is that a Cleric with one card in his hand before he is supposed to draw can only resurrect one card, while a Cleric with 10 (yes, you can have 10; for those who are about to ask about the hand limit of 5 cards, that only matters at the end of your turn, when Charity is supposed to occur; during the rest of the time, you could have 100 cards in your hand, and it wouldn't matter), can resurrect up to the number of cards he is drawing or 10, whichever is lower. You can not use the cards drawn as part of the discards to power the resurrections.

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So, no - not especially broken at all.

Nope. Not at all.

endeavor · 06-21-2010, 01:12 PM

Thanks for the help. I misread/understood the prior post on Cleric Resurrection and by extension misunderstood the Change Log. Clearly not broken now that I get it!

AllyKat · 07-04-2010, 12:22 PM

Ummm.... the whole discard so many cards to change how many are drawn from the Discard versus the Deck is the easy part. I am a little bit curious about timing of the resolution. Let's say a Treasure card (A) is played that allows a Treasure card to be drawn. A player discards Treasure card (B) from their hand to draw Treasure card (C) from the discard with the Cleric's ability. Which will be on top in the discard after the effect Treasure card (A) or Treasure card (B)?

Andrew Hackard · 07-04-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AllyKat

Ummm.... the whole discard so many cards to change how many are drawn from the Discard versus the Deck is the easy part. I am a little bit curious about timing of the resolution. Let's say a Treasure card (A) is played that allows a Treasure card to be drawn. A player discards Treasure card (B) from their hand to draw Treasure card (C) from the discard with the Cleric's ability. Which will be on top in the discard after the effect Treasure card (A) or Treasure card (B)?

A and B are discarded at the same time, so it's up to the current player to decide in what order they hit the pile.

MunchkinMan · 07-05-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AllyKat

Ummm.... the whole discard so many cards to change how many are drawn from the Discard versus the Deck is the easy part. I am a little bit curious about timing of the resolution. Let's say a Treasure card (A) is played that allows a Treasure card to be drawn. A player discards Treasure card (B) from their hand to draw Treasure card (C) from the discard with the Cleric's ability. Which will be on top in the discard after the effect Treasure card (A) or Treasure card (B)?

Andrew's answer is accurate, but I feel some specific points need making.

You can only use resurrection when drawing a face-up card.
You play a card, resolve its effect, then discard it.
You discard after you do your resurrection draw, but obviously from the cards you have in your hand.
The card you discard does not have to come from the same deck as the card you draw.

So, in your example, if Treasure A that you played allows you to draw a face-up Treasure card, you then resurrect Treasure C and then discard Treasure A and some other card from your hand than Treasure C. If you discard Treasure B, you can discard it with Treasure A in whatever order you prefer.

Jaboomf · 01-04-2015, 08:43 AM

Can the resurrection ability be used for "kicking down the door" at the beginning of your turn? and if so, do the cards you draw from the discarded doors pile act as if you just kicked them down or just picked them up? And do you play as normal after? (e.g. loot the room and play a monster to fight etc.)

06-20-2010, 09:46 PM	#1
endeavor Join Date: Jun 2010	Cleric Resurrection 1. Bought the game yesterday 17th edition. 2. Got online and found the rules modifications for 19th edition. 3. Found a previous post on Cleric Resurrection that indicated that the player must declare X cards and then discard X cards from those drawn or already in hand. Question: Since the number of cards in the discard pile is most often unknown, can the player just declare an extremely large number to guarantee that the entire discard pile is available to choose from or must the number X declared be within the range of cards in the discard pile? Does this ability work on both discard piles, i.e. when drawing from the Doors Pile or Treasures Piles? I may be mistaken but this ability appears to be "broken". Is this the case? Last edited by endeavor; 06-20-2010 at 10:09 PM.

06-21-2010, 01:16 AM	#2
RevBob Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Here on the perimeter, there are no stars	Re: Cleric Resurrection You seem to have overlooked a key element. The Cleric doesn't get to pick and choose cards out of the discards - he gets the top X cards, and X is limited both by the number of cards in the Cleric's hand and the number of cards he's eligible to draw face-up. As for which discard pile - whichever one matches the cards he's supposed to draw face-up. So if he had help in a combat and the monsters were worth 5 treasures but the Cleric only has two cards in his hand, the Cleric can discard both cards to resurrect the top two treasure discards (or one to resurrect one, or none to ignore the ability), then he'd draw the rest as normal: face-up from the treasure deck. So, no - not especially broken at all. __________________ Find me at @RevBobTnJ * Goodreads Looking for a St. Aosbczkcs medal.

06-21-2010, 06:56 AM	#3
Nerftw Join Date: May 2010	Re: Cleric Resurrection Also, it's probably best to use whatever the card you have says. Otherwise you'll just confuse yourself. There is an expansion you can order now called Go Up A Level that has the updated class and race cards for all flavors of Munchkin, plus other cards that were changed. (You can see those in the Change Log) I'd personally suggest not using the new class abilities until you buy that, so you have the exact text on the card in front of you. Last edited by Nerftw; 06-21-2010 at 07:03 AM.

06-21-2010, 01:12 PM	#6
endeavor Join Date: Jun 2010	Re: Cleric Resurrection Thanks for the help. I misread/understood the prior post on Cleric Resurrection and by extension misunderstood the Change Log. Clearly not broken now that I get it!

07-04-2010, 12:22 PM	#7
AllyKat Join Date: May 2010	Re: Cleric Resurrection Ummm.... the whole discard so many cards to change how many are drawn from the Discard versus the Deck is the easy part. I am a little bit curious about timing of the resolution. Let's say a Treasure card (A) is played that allows a Treasure card to be drawn. A player discards Treasure card (B) from their hand to draw Treasure card (C) from the discard with the Cleric's ability. Which will be on top in the discard after the effect Treasure card (A) or Treasure card (B)?

01-04-2015, 08:43 AM	#10
Jaboomf Join Date: Jan 2015	Re: Cleric Resurrection Can the resurrection ability be used for "kicking down the door" at the beginning of your turn? and if so, do the cards you draw from the discarded doors pile act as if you just kicked them down or just picked them up? And do you play as normal after? (e.g. loot the room and play a monster to fight etc.)