02-21-2018, 01:17 PM | #1 |
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Would like some help with our group
OK, my GM is starting a (mostly/quasi) realistic based modern FBI game soon. (For those that have read some of my other threads, not the uber-official product only GM. That game fell through....YEAY!...lol). We were all making characters with the limits she put forth: Starting attribute cap of 14, skill cap of 16 (without seriously solid reasoning). We are also using "Know Your Own Strength " rules (Pyramid 3-83, pg. 16; Thanks Kromm!) and most of the guidelines from the Real World People & Character post by Kromm and others. The game will be a supernatural based x-files styled game where the characters are larger than life, but not full action movie hero level...yet.
Now for the help asked. One character is former military and strongman competitor (not winner or even top 10, but competitor). St 14, IQ 11, DX 11, HT 14, Will 11 now (was 14; lost dependent wife, lowered will to represent and compensate points), Lifting 14. Watching Born Strong on Netflix really gave us an idea into his pre-FBI routine, but we would like help figuring out where the modifiers for some of the events in this video (Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic) and Strongest Man competitions. The Lifting guidelines in the core book are a bit...vague. Where would this character have stood at that time? What would it take to do these events (BLx**+EE+Lifting skill as an example)? What could he have lifted? and how the heck can anyone 1 arm lift 300 lbs over their head....more than once by these rules? Character 2 is boy genius and martial artist ST 12, DX 12, IQ 14, HT 13, HP 14, FP 15, Karate and Karate Art 14, Judo and Judo Art 14, Criminology 16, Occultism 16. Wanted him to have Reputation with the Martial Arts community as a competitor. How would he stack up? Not MMA, more traditional Wushu and Karate tournaments. Taking the movie Best of the Best, would these numbers jive with that level of competition? (we thing possible, but would like some outside input) If not, national champion? Regional champion? State? Local show-off? Character 3 is the daughter of a Russian expat gymnast and Chinese computer programmer, ST 10, DX 14, IQ 12, HT 11 Many computer related skills at 12-14 not Computer Hacking, GM feels too cinematic). She wants to have been software designer. What skill would this be, Computer Programming, Professional Skill (Software Designer)? BTW, my GM is not using cinematic skills and trying to keep things more grounded. I know our characters are a bit high for a "realistic" campaign, but were made before we all found and talked about the "Real World People" thread. GM kind of liked the idea of where our characters fit into that design criteria, so we kept them where they were. Any help would be appreciated, especially on PC 1 and PC 2. Thanks in advance. |
02-21-2018, 03:11 PM | #2 |
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Re: Would like some help with our group
GURPS lifting does not play nice with specific real world lifting feats and expectations.
FWIW my opinion is that world class strongmen are around 4x stronger than a normal human...I'd give them ST over 16, Lift ST +2 and Lifting skill and move on. Your guy should have Lift ST because strongmen definitely train and use it. One or two levels is enough. If he was national level competitor I'd make him ST 15 as well. Again this is just my opinion. I'm comfortable with the notion that real humans exist who have GURPS ST 20 but others disagree and think GURPS ST 15 should be a real world cap. |
02-21-2018, 03:38 PM | #3 | |
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If you want her to have led a team, you might have a Professional Skill (say, "Project Management") for color, but that's about estimating times and scheduling and organizing assignments for large projects. (Programming is no longer a solo project for your basement, if indeed it ever was; real work takes teams, which means management. Cinematic Hollywood hackers, on the other hand, do their best work alone with just their laptop and beverage :) Back in the 70s, "design" and "coding" were treated as different things to be done by different specialists, but these days, really only apprentice programmers get handed completely designed tasks to be coded, and few programmers learn just by apprenticeship any more. A big team will usually have an "architect" that does high level design, and little coding other than just to keep their hand in, but that's more a matter of focusing the assignments than different skills. Occasionally, you'll run across project managers that don't have the Programming skill at all, but that's relatively unusual. |
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02-21-2018, 03:42 PM | #4 |
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Re: Would like some help with our group
Extra Effort should be allowed for the Weight Lifting even if not for combat.
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02-21-2018, 04:20 PM | #5 |
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Re: Would like some help with our group
Anaraxes is almost right, but there are standard skills for project management. The primary skill is either Administration, if what's important is scheduling and resource management, or Leadership, if what's important is motivating and resolving conflicts. A really good project manager would have points in both.
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02-21-2018, 06:06 PM | #6 |
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02-21-2018, 07:13 PM | #7 | |
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Project management is a different skill set than programming, and is not usually a technical job. Like Whswhs said, it's primarily Administration in GURPS terms, with various other social skills being plausible. Leadership, Detect Lies to recognize when your programmers are lying to you, Fast-Talk to pass lies onto upper management or the programmers, Diplomacy to coax people into doing sensible things and sometimes a little Law or Savoir-Faire are more common in my experience than any notable skill in Computer Programming. On the original questions: 1 handed lift is BLx2, so you either need a BL of 150 (ST 19), a BL of 120 and a Lifting roll at -2 (ST 18), a BL of 100 and a Lifting roll at -5 (ST 17), or a BL of 80 and a Lifting Roll at -9 (ST 16). That's using KYOS. I haven't watched the movie, but the idea that at least some of the weightlifters have ST 15, Lifting ST 1, and Lifting-17 so they can perform at 100% over their normal BL for a single lift about 25% of the time seems reasonable. PC1 can routinely lift 100 lbs over his hand with one hand. With extra effort in a competition, he can take a -3 penalty and succeed about 25% of the time, letting him lift 130 lbs. At his peak (with Will 14), he could have taken another -3 penalty and lifted 160 lbs in competition. PC2 is really, really good for a hobbyist, but has fairly typical skills for a professional who makes his living at a dangerous profession. I think that puts him at good enough to make a living as a full time martial artist, but probably not good enough to make a national team for the Olympics. Best in a large town, one of the best in a small city is where I'd put him, with each +1 in skill raising him up one level of city to state to region to nation. That would put national champions at skill-18, and the Best of the Best at about skill-20 or so.
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02-21-2018, 07:30 PM | #9 | |
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A real programming shop would likely be headed by a former programmer who showed leadership and was promoted up. But other companies might have someone appointed to run a team or department that had little or no experience. I would generally prefer the former but the Leadership and Administration skills are the most important. A competent leader will learn about the vaguiers of the task, buta great programmer may easily be a lousy boss.
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OK, I thought posting the links was a goot idea, but realized there was one thing we got from somewhere else, and not everyone would want to shuffle through a 9 page dead thread. So, I reposted some relevant bits that are being used in our game.
Also, PC3 has 2 ranks of Computer Wizard Talent and points in those skills as well as Current Affairs (Tech) and Administration 12, if that helps. First, I know our character will stand out quite a bit compared to these representations, but that's what the GM wanted, so... This might help bring our guidelines a bit more into focus...I hope....maybe....er...OK. Quote:
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