05-14-2019, 03:57 PM | #11 |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
I don't think so actually. The difference between 'illusions have their own senses' and 'illusions know what their creators know' is pretty significant. It also means that you cannot do something like have an illusion stick its head over a wall and attack someone the wizard can't see.
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05-15-2019, 07:50 AM | #12 | |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
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I think that these discussions sometimes lead to "analysis paralysis" and will put off new gamers; and that would be a real shame. |
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05-15-2019, 08:00 AM | #13 | |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
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05-15-2019, 09:10 AM | #14 | |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
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So at least when he wrote Death Test, Steve implied that an illusion *can* allow a wizard to see things he can't see himself (in another room, on the other side of a wall, etc). |
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05-15-2019, 12:55 PM | #15 |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
Yeah, I never cared for that aspect of the illusion rules TBH. I can see why they did it (eliminate the need for a separate 'remote viewing' spell in a game were spells known are already extremely limited), but it breaks the implied 'logic' of how I believe that illusions should work. I am firmly entrenched in the idea that illusions only exist in the mind.
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05-15-2019, 01:19 PM | #16 | |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
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It is part of the reason I have thought the belief in the illusion created a "knot of force" with physical rather than just mental effects. I actually prefer it this way, that the illusion's senses do not give information not already available to the wizard. |
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05-15-2019, 01:38 PM | #17 |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
To answer your question, we played it for about 40 years where you could use the illusion to scout ahead.
But... this discussion has convinced me we should change. Well that's an approach, just kind of go with snap judgements. You're right, it does sound hostile, even though that's unintended. Perceived hostility could put off new gamers more than polite and sincere discussion about little corners of the game rules. Last edited by RobW; 05-15-2019 at 01:56 PM. |
05-15-2019, 02:16 PM | #18 | |
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05-15-2019, 02:29 PM | #19 | |
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05-15-2019, 05:07 PM | #20 | |
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Re: What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?
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Given that, I think perhaps an Image ought to be like #3 — or in some cases, even independent of any senses at all, but behaving according to a script, like a holographic program. But by contrast, I think an Illusion ought to be like #1 — because it is (to at least some extent) not just a product of the wizard's spell, but of the observers' own minds. So it seems fair to suggest that nothing about its nature should be limited by the characteristics of its caster. |
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