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Old 05-13-2019, 01:54 PM   #1
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Default What are the senses of a wolf image or illusion?

If a wizard casts dark vision on himself his illusion wolf gets it.

If a wizard cast Summon Wolf the wolf has a keen nose, right?

So what about an image or illusion of a wolf?
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Old 05-13-2019, 03:24 PM   #2
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If a wizard casts dark vision on himself his illusion wolf gets it.

If a wizard cast Summon Wolf the wolf has a keen nose, right?

So what about an image or illusion of a wolf?
ITL p. 139: "The illusion behaves as though the world were exactly as its master thinks it is."

So it sounds like if I cast an illusion of a wolf, it will only see and hear (and smell) what I could see and hear and smell.
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:09 PM   #3
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Illusions are cast to interact with a specific target or targets so I guess I fail to see why illusionary senses would be needed or relevant.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:34 PM   #4
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So it sounds like if I cast an illusion of a wolf, it will only see and hear (and smell) what I could see and hear and smell.
Unclear. It's quite possible that, if you think there's a mouse under the table, it will smell a mouse, despite there not actually being a mouse under the table and you being unable to smell it.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:00 PM   #5
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ITL p. 139: "The illusion behaves as though the world were exactly as its master thinks it is."

So it sounds like if I cast an illusion of a wolf, it will only see and hear (and smell) what I could see and hear and smell.
I am inclined to agree. The illusory wolf only gets Dark Vision because its casting wizard had Dark Vision; so if the wizard didn't have a wolf-like sense of smell, then neither should the wolf.

But this makes me wonder… if a blind wizard casts an illusion, is the illusion blind too?
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But this makes me wonder… if a blind wizard casts an illusion, is the illusion blind too?
That gives me an idea for a new spell... Wizard's Eye (for remote viewing).
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But this makes me wonder… if a blind wizard casts an illusion, is the illusion blind too?
The wolf sees the world as the wizard imagines the world to be. In practice this can probably be treated as blind.

Now, what happens if an illusory wolf is stabbed by a monster the wizard is not aware of? Does it feel the damage? Does it take the damage? (these are separable questions).
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The wolf sees the world as the wizard imagines the world to be. In practice this can probably be treated as blind.

Now, what happens if an illusory wolf is stabbed by a monster the wizard is not aware of? Does it feel the damage? Does it take the damage? (these are separable questions).
This is one of those areas where GM interpretation comes in. If the Caster does not see the attack on the wolf, does the wolf take damage? If not, then the attacker would get an automatic disbelieve because Wolves don't ignore weapon strikes.

If yes, then the illusion takes damage. I see this as the less realistic way, but requires less housekeeping. I would prefer the player be an active controller of his or her illusions and make then react to attacks and such.
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Old 05-14-2019, 01:34 PM   #9
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I really just think we are over-analyzing this stuff again. Trying to interject "reality" into a magic spell, and nit-picking the rules to death like this makes me wonder how anyone plays ANY game... ;-)
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Old 05-14-2019, 03:44 PM   #10
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Don’t think of it as nitpicking. It’s people having fun thinking about the weird nature of illusions. It’s like time travel, impossible but brings up lots of potentially cool situations
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