11-17-2009, 09:50 AM | #1 | |
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[IW] Atomic Space alternate history
I ran across an interesting tidbit in my research:
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What if, instead of creating NASA based around the National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics, Admiral Rickover had been given control over a US civilian space agency built around the Atomic Energy Commission? Admiral Rickover served on active duty until 1982, longer than any other US naval officer in history, and was widely known for integrity, perfectionism, and sheer bloody-minded determination. I see an emphasis on deep space platforms over launch vehicles, a long-term coherent program of space exploration, and a landing on Mars in the late 1970's. (If this somehow figures into the background of Tales of the Solar Patrol, please be gentle: I haven't read it.) |
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11-17-2009, 10:08 AM | #2 |
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Re: [IW] Atomic Space alternate history
No. Solar Patrol deals with the invention of the Tesla Drve circa 1950.
The question is what significant changes occurred from this divergence in the tume stream? What is particularly different about this world that makes it p;ayable?
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11-17-2009, 10:41 AM | #3 | |
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Assuming a global nuclear war doesn't happen, I suspect the big one would be a change in spinoff technologies. A lot of effort is going into designing smallish output lightweight nuclear reactors in this setting, so I'd expect to see more of them on the ground - most ships are probably nuclear powered, so are (the much more common) giant airplanes, and likely some tanks and other military vehicles. Small communities and major factories get their electricity from their own reactors. There's more nuclear waste about, but people presumably have a more realistic view of its (non-)hazards and suitability for weaponization - this probably means at least some dirty bombs have been set off. Radiation protection probably gets a little more money - so cheap radiation monitors, and radioprotective drugs are likely around. Cancer rates may be up a bit worldwide, which might have pushed a little more research budget into that.. Electronics miniaturization being much less of an issue with better engines, the microelectronics industry is probably a bit lagging behind OTL for any given year.
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11-17-2009, 11:53 AM | #4 | |
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I am more interested in the effects of someone with Rickover's personality, drive, and longevity at the helm of a National Atomic and Space Administration. If he applied the same iron-fisted practices to space in that timeline that he used on naval nuclear power in this one, what might he have accomplished? Given the US government's commitment to a civilian space program, even as early as 1957, I suspect that Rickover's charter would be to maintain that civilian, peaceful (albeit not "non-military") flavor. It would be a much more disciplined agency than in our timeline, though -- no Revolt of the Centers. Certainly Apollo would have continued to its full 20 missions, with later LEMs using RTG power to extend their surface stays. Saturn third stage rocket eventually replaced with NERVA-derived nuclear version (e.g., Saturn C-5N and Saturn-V25(S)U). Manned space station program carefully designed to validate life support requirements for a Mars mission. Direct landing profiles were suggested for Apollo and in-situ resource utilization is a clear winner, so I can see a Mars Direct-style approach to landing a mission on Mars. What I don't see is the political will, even with Rickover beating the drum. Perhaps our history needs Sergei Korolev to survive long enough to land cosmonauts on the Moon, continuing the Space Race to Mars. |
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11-17-2009, 12:31 PM | #5 | |
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The reason we had the Apollo Project in the real world was, arguably, the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Certainly JFK was not a big enthusiast for space flight for its own sake, and there was a lot of resistance to the whole idea from within his administration, see the infamous (in certain circles) 'Owens Memo'. Likewise, the social movement and backlash against everything nuclear that rose in the late 60s and 70s was based, in part, on a larger backlash against the entire mindset of the 'G.I. generation'. That would still likely have come, and if nuclear fission ws sufficiently entrenched to be untouchable, space flight probably would not be (other than military use). Even with effective nuclear propulsion, manned space flight is inherently expensive. That money would look like a temptation to the people in the 70s who really believed that only a lack of funding kept social engineering from fixing everything that was wrong with society. Absent some strong economic/political motive to do it, Rickover would be fighting a constant uphill battle. In the real world, every attempt to find such a motive has failed. Nuclear propulsion might make a big difference, or it might not. |
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11-19-2009, 11:53 AM | #6 |
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What about the Outer Space Treaty? That's what put the kibosh on Project Orion. Any "Atomic Space" scenario would have to do something about this rather fundamental piece of international law.
Remember Jon's Law: "Any interesting space drive is a weapon of mass destruction. It only matters how long you want to wait for maximum damage." And the second someone starts putting nuclear drives units in space, someone is going to scream "militarization"! So the Outer Spcae Treaty is either going to have to be never passed or circumvented. Circumvention ... now there's an idea! The vessels and bases of this "Atomic Space" milieu are pirate operations by small countries and large corporations, put up illegally! And the UN has to fund their own fleet of atomic spaceships to try and bring them to heel! Now this has potential!
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11-19-2009, 04:59 PM | #7 | |
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11-25-2009, 08:52 AM | #8 |
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I believe the divergence point is actually before the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty as well, allowing for the possibility of Project Orion going forward. Chitty-Chitty-Boom-Boom to the stars... or at least to the outer planets.
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11-25-2009, 07:04 PM | #9 | |
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http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3897891 http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...ad.php?t=76196 http://silver-rockets.com/tag/retro-futurism/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googie_architecture Possible campaign themes: Cold war in cis-lunar space. A lot of posturing and space-fleet exercises from the superpowers, but all hot war takes place by proxy. So, the Russians, Europeans, Chinese and Americans never shoot at each other directly. However, the lunar mining colonies operated by Pakistan and India constantly bicker about the borders of their respective claims, and back their arguments with armored lunar rovers manned by hired mercenaries. Aptly-named Ares On Mars, the conflicting UK and USSR claims to the better sections of the Noctis Labrynthis results in low-intensity conflict, and rumors are that MI-5 has sent a double-0 agent to express, in an unmistakable (but wholly deniable) way, the dismay her majesty feels at the situation. France, of course, has repeatedly called for calm, reinforced its expanded mining operations, and otherwise avoids any sort of involvement. The United States has sent a team to monitor developments, even though its own bases lie much further east. Deep in the black Out in the Belt, Japanese mining stations are constantly monitored (and buzzed) by Chinese PLAN-SF craft, which makes Yojimbo Extraction noticeably reluctant to openly object to the presence of the new PRC base on the opposite side of Vesta from the Japanese base. However, should the PRC installation suffer a tragic accident, Yojimbo Extraction executives won't say too much, then, either. Saturnian Space Nasties There are, of course, no facts to support the ridiculous rumors that the joint Argentina-Brazilian Space Program is funded by quiet cabal with access to large amounts of European gold deposited in Swiss banks several decades ago. Moreover, since that quiet cabal doesn't exist, it cannot possibly have influenced the decision by the South Americans to fund a single, large, Orion vessel (instead of several smaller, more practical craft) tasked with creation of a base designed to take control of the hydrocarbons available on Titan. Additionally, only paranoid lunatics claim that the crew of the vessel was largely drawn from the graduates of special schools set up about 30 years in the past. Finally, it's just a pattern of remarkable, and completely unrelated, coincidences that so many inquisitive Argentinian and Brazilian patriots have suffered accidents while looking into those ludicrous lies.
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