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Old 04-02-2014, 08:39 PM   #11
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Default Re: Ritual Path Magic spells for zero point features?

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Considering it requires TL8 and a LOT of time on hormones to change one's gender, this isn't really a minor spell. If you want to reduce the chance of failure in public, you can make it into a potion and trick your victim into drinking it.
Why assume it's an offensive spell?
And you can't compare real world technology to magic.
But either way, as long as I know that I disagree with the rules rather than misunderstand them... Thanks for clearing that up.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:42 PM   #12
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Compared to throwing fireballs, and traveling to parallel realities, changing an innie into an outtie seems pretty inconsequential to me.
Your gender is a feature, as is your sex, your height, your weight, your coloration, whether you breath air or water, etc ... Using powerful magic to temporarily change the shape of someone's belly button doesn't stop it from being powerful magic.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:42 PM   #13
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Why assume it's an offensive spell?
And you can't compare real world technology to magic.
But either way, as long as I know that I disagree with the rules rather than misunderstand them... Thanks for clearing that up.
Well, if it's not being used for offensive purposes, you just tell them which potion they want. And while it may be expensive to hit 1 person with it, it's relatively cheap to add Area Effect and gender change a few dozen people at once. Make it a large rune that triggers the conditional spell when you say a specific phrase, and you have plenty of time to set up.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:45 PM   #14
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Sex change. I would consider gender change to be lesser mind transform spell.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:48 PM   #15
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Sex change. I would consider gender change to be lesser mind transform spell.
Still, if you're going to do it for profit, go for the Area Effect. Adds relatively little to the cost to hit multiple people at once.
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:44 PM   #16
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How would I go about pricing a spell to alter features like changing sex?
For anything "neutral" like that, it'd be subsumed into the Greater Transform Body effect. Contrary to what some are suggesting, there's no need to add Alternate Form. The rules actually caution you not to do that most of the time. Remember, spell modifiers are only used if necessary. Plenty of spells just use an effect or two.

The danger with features is that some are incredibly dangerous to add; e.g., "Feature: Only breathes argon." So the GM has to be cautious to make sure you aren't trying to construct a powerful curse for minimal energy. But changing sex isn't usually in that category.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:41 PM   #17
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And when it is, it’s because of reasons that ought to be beyond the scope of pricing the ritual (e.g., when one sex or the other has a serious Social Stigma attached to it).
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:45 PM   #18
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Okay. I guess I'm still a little to rigid in thinking to easily internalize the rules.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:10 AM   #19
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And when it is, it’s because of reasons that ought to be beyond the scope of pricing the ritual (e.g., when one sex or the other has a serious Social Stigma attached to it).
At that point, gender is no longer a 0-point feature, but rather a template with certain traits, such as Social Stigma. In that case, you'd need to pay energy for whatever traits are on the template. Yes, this does mean Gender Bender costs more in a setting where one gender has a different social standing than the other, and actually has a different cost depending on the direction of the swap. Magic's weird.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:43 AM   #20
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Assuming the vaguely modern era for MH... You'd only need extra points beyond the greater transform if the transformation includes making a plain person attractive, a weak one strong, or similar.

Oddly, iirc, "me, but prettier" is a lesser transform, RAW.
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