Steve Jackson Games - Site Navigation
Home General Info Follow Us Search Illuminator Store Forums What's New Other Games Ogre GURPS Munchkin Our Games: Home

Go Back   Steve Jackson Games Forums > Roleplaying > GURPS

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-24-2015, 11:02 AM   #1
lvalero
 
lvalero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Madrid, Spain
Default Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

You are a proud member of the Bard class! You are a virtuoso, a master, a superb performer (Or, at least, you think you are!) Others may think you are a sort of "diva" (-N to reaction rolls)

You have to practice music each day at least 1d hours with your instrument and partitures. This time has to be removed from sleeping, eating, or doing other activities.

You have to keep your instrument in perfect condition! This costs you $NN (?) per month.

You hate using an instrument different than your own. If you loose your instrument or partitures you have a -1 to Bard Abilities and to Musical Instrument.

...
My question. Would this disadvantage qualify as "Disciplines of faith"? How many points do you think it should? [-10] ??

I also don't know how many -N is for reaction rolls and how many $NN should cost keeping your instrument in perfect condition.

Any help, please? :)
__________________
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" Albert Einstein
lvalero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2015, 11:23 AM   #2
johndallman
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Cambridge, UK
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

"partitures" is an unfamiliar word. Poking Google Translate suggests that it might mean written music. Is that what you mean? The usual English is "sheet music" or "score".

This doesn't look like a Discipline of Faith to me, certainly not a -10 one. It doesn't have as much impact on your life as Ritualism, which is -5.

As it is, it looks more like Odious Personal Habit (Diva) -1, [-5], Compulsive Behaviour (Music Practice) [-5], and Equipment Bond (Instrument) [1].
johndallman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2015, 11:33 AM   #3
lvalero
 
lvalero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Madrid, Spain
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

Yes. It wanted to say "score", thanks.

Quote:
As it is, it looks more like Odious Personal Habit (Diva) -1, [-5], Compulsive Behaviour (Music Practice) [-5], and Equipment Bond (Instrument) [1].
I like your build. I think it is what I am looking for. Thanks!

Luis
__________________
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" Albert Einstein
lvalero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2015, 11:44 AM   #4
RogerWilco
 
RogerWilco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

1d hours sounds really high. I think even most professional musicians do not practice that much. For a lot of types it might even be detrimental.

If you practice that much, you will not need the sheet music quite quickly and know the pieces by heart. Unless you keep learning new music at a high rate.

Example benchmark:
Practising 30-60 minutes 3-4x a week, I can learn about 2 hours of music in 3-4 months. Complex music, like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Rhapsody in Blue*, etc. I am not considered a very good musician, playing 4th horn in an amateur orchestra.

A professional musician practising several hours a day, can learn a complete new piece of music in a few days. I think most film music is recorded in a couple of weeks at most.

With that level of exercise, you should be proficient with several instruments at a high level and have a huge and varying repertoire.

Now, if you're also writing your own music, then things get a lot harder unless you're absolutely Mozart, John Williams or Paul McCartney level brilliant.

8) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xomvD5DR004

Last edited by RogerWilco; 12-24-2015 at 11:54 AM.
RogerWilco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2015, 04:40 PM   #5
Humabout
 
Humabout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

A four hour daily practice session is ehat the University of Miami School of Music's jazz program teaches. You spend one hour on scales, arpeggios, and technical exercises, an hour working on music pieces, an hour on improv, and an hour noodling and generally being creative.

So, 1d hours averaging 3.5 hours, doesn't sound the least bit unusual. It's worth noting that there is a huge difference between knowing notes and playing them well. A lot of work done to learn a song is about phrasing and giving depth to the music.

Another thing is that a really good musician must practice a lot to maintain his chops or theres a sharp decline in skill. So again, 4 hours a day doesnt sound unreasonable.

Lastly, one nit to pick: the only "complex" musical piece mentioned in the above post was Rhapsody in Blue.
__________________
Buy My Stuff!

Dungeon Action!

My Blog: Above the Flatline.
Humabout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2015, 06:25 PM   #6
jason taylor
 
jason taylor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Portland, Oregon
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lvalero View Post
You are a proud member of the Bard class! You are a virtuoso, a master, a superb performer (Or, at least, you think you are!) Others may think you are a sort of "diva" (-N to reaction rolls)

You have to practice music each day at least 1d hours with your instrument and partitures. This time has to be removed from sleeping, eating, or doing other activities.

You have to keep your instrument in perfect condition! This costs you $NN (?) per month.

You hate using an instrument different than your own. If you loose your instrument or partitures you have a -1 to Bard Abilities and to Musical Instrument.

...
My question. Would this disadvantage qualify as "Disciplines of faith"? How many points do you think it should? [-10] ??

I also don't know how many -N is for reaction rolls and how many $NN should cost keeping your instrument in perfect condition.

Any help, please? :)
I'd say it only qualifies as such if it has some religious implication. If you specialize in religious music or vice-versa call on religion to sacralize your bardic guild. I should think some professional codes are intense enough to qualify as disciplines of faith but especially if they are associated with religion. As there was no clear separation between the secular and the sacred in a pre-modern society, a bardic guild probably would have some religious component. The question is how much and how much it effects the given bard.

In any case it has to be as intense as the very most demanding professional codes at least-something as demanding as Omerta, or an elite military unit's code or something like that. One can very easily picture bards sacralizing their profession and some did; in fact I would encourage you to work that out for your 'verse, it would go fine.

Is this 'verse perhaps, something like Japan where mysticism is put, not just around craftsmanship and warfare but even things like tea parties? That would make it credible.
__________________
"The navy could probably win a war without coffee but would prefer not to try"-Samuel Eliot Morrison
jason taylor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2015, 01:16 PM   #7
Anders
Banned
 
Anders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

I'd call it a Code of Honor rather than a Discipline of Faith.
Anders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2015, 04:47 PM   #8
Not
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

It's surely a discipline. And Music activates the same brain region as religious ecstasy.*

Doc Savage spends 2 hours each day doing calisthenics and math problems. I could call it Ritualism [-5], since there's no practical difference to Yoga and mantras.


*b.s.
__________________
Leave this space blank.
Not is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2015, 05:47 PM   #9
Peter Knutsen
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Europe
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not View Post
It's surely a discipline. And Music activates the same brain region as religious ecstasy.*

Doc Savage spends 2 hours each day doing calisthenics and math problems. I could call it Ritualism [-5], since there's no practical difference to Yoga and mantras.


*b.s.
Disciplines of Faith usually pertains directly to religion or to some form of mysticism, and so doesn't fit a secular musician at all.

What can be used for all sorts of thing is some sort of Power Modifier, which could indeed include the requirement to devote X hours (e.g. 2 or 1d6) per day to train. A good place to look, for inspiration, is the Chi PM in GURPS Dungeon Fantasy volume 1, although GURPS Powers ought to have all the building blocks, just might not be quite as obvious how to assemble them, compared to the working example in DF1.
Peter Knutsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2015, 07:58 PM   #10
Randyman
 
Join Date: May 2009
Default Re: Disciplines of Faith (Musician)

Considering how most musicians treat their craft as a religion, and Music as their god, I'd say it is more appropriate than most of said musicians would be comfortable admitting.
__________________
"Despite (GURPS) reputation for realism and popularity with simulationists, the numbers are and always have been assessed in the service of drama." - Kromm
Randyman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Fnords are Off
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.