02-10-2008, 08:00 PM | #11 |
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Re: Grapple and Posture
Here's one more point for the mix, that might bear on this - as far as I can tell, if you are bent over at the waist, you are still considered 'Standing'. If that's the case, then you probably could maintain a grapple on someone's head/neck while still remaining on two feet.
For the purposes of writing up these examples, I think I'll take the most conservative attempt at following the 'letter of the law' as written - namely, you must match the posture of your opponent if *attempting* a grapple, but you may remain standing (though likely bent over quite a bit) if *maintaining* a grapple on a thrown opponent. At least until something more 'official' comes along. :) As always, thanks much for weighing in on this and other questions - these examples really are a community effort, it would be an impossible project without so many helpful forum folks.
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02-10-2008, 08:17 PM | #12 |
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Re: Grapple and Posture
Well, if you're maintaining a grapple on their head, I would say that this requires you at least to be crouched or kneeling. If they're prone, you would need to have your head at your knee level in order to maintain a choke while they were prone(I know chokes are different than grapples, but it's an easy to visualize real world example) and this would be pretty much the silliest thing in the world to do while attempting to choke someone out. Whats more, if bent double at the waist is the same as standing, it should be just as easy to hit you with a ranged weapon while you are bent in half, and you should be able to sprint at full move as well, just as if you were standing.
I think that crouched represents a "close enough" intermediate step that a) isn't hard to transition out of, b) works for both being crouched near a persons head or being bent over, regardless of what you think works best for a cranial grapple, and c) I guess there isn't really a c that adds to my argument without repeating a or b. Anywho. Not a problem mook, glad to help. Your site is an excellent learning tool, as it's made me think about how combat(particularly unarmed combat) works in GURPS. |
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02-10-2008, 08:24 PM | #15 |
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Re: Grapple and Posture
Sorry, I read the "The skill itself should allow anything" and fixated on that. In that case, you and I are in agreement. I think a limb throw should allow you to stay standing, and a head or torso throw obliges you to follow him at least partway down(if you want to maintain the grapple), although I guess there may be a head throw which ends with the victim sitting and you applying a rear choke or something while standing. I seem to remember something kinda like that from my old brazilian jujitsu(sp?) training, but it was a while ago, and I don't think I ever used it because throwing people by their heads would probably invite a neck injury.
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02-10-2008, 08:46 PM | #17 |
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Oh yeah, I just have trouble remembering a head grapple that involves me staying upright while they go seated. I remember a couple that involve throwing them and following them down in a way that will snap the neck.
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02-10-2008, 11:03 PM | #18 |
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I have had the same problem, when you grapple and lock, achieve the agony affliction and the guy slumps over on you. Suddenly your worried about the secured grapple failing because of the posture change.
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03-26-2017, 10:55 AM | #20 |
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Re: Grapple and Posture
Whoa. The weird thing isn't that you're posting in a 9-year-old thread... it's that I was working on and researching these examples two hours ago. Creepy.
Anyway, looking back over the discussion, I can't quite nail down why I thought it was assumed a grapple is maintained after throwing an opponent (I have no problem believing you can, but it doesn't seem to be the RAW default assumption). Unless anyone has thoughts on how/why that actually is the default assumption, I will update my examples FAQ accordingly.
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