'Jet Modifier' questions

Tinman · 10-02-2014, 12:35 PM

According to BB.106 Jet modifier [+0%]:
Your attack is a continuous stream, like a flamethrower. Treat it as a melee
weapon with a very long reach rather than as a ranged weapon. Do not apply penalties for target range and speed.

My questions are:
Does this modifier turn your ranged attack into a melee attack or is it a ranged attack that has an enhanced ability to hit?
For example:

1) If you move and attack do you take the penalties for a ranged attack or a melee attack?

2) Does the target deffend as if it's a melee attack or a ranged attack?
spicificly:
A) Can the target retreat?
B) Can the target use a shield to block?

GodBeastX · 10-02-2014, 12:39 PM

If it says to treat it as a melee attack, you should treat it as a melee attack in any way that isn't written as an exception. There fore move and attack is -4 and capped at 9 skill, etc.

sir_pudding · 10-02-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

My questions are:
Does this modifier turn your ranged attack into a melee attack or is it a ranged attack that has an enhanced ability to hit?
For example:

Usually a bit of both. You generally can't parry with jets for example (except for power parries).

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1) If you move and attack do you take the penalties for a ranged attack or a melee attack?

Flamethrowers do have a bulk stat (very high ones), so probably ranged here. I'm not sure though.

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2) Does the target deffend as if it's a melee attack or a ranged attack?
spicificly:
A) Can the target retreat?

It makes sense to be able to sidestep but not retreat backwards unless retreating backwards gets you out of range.

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B) Can the target use a shield to block?

Yes, this makes sense.

sir_pudding · 10-02-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GodBeastX

If it says to treat it as a melee attack, you should treat it as a melee attack in any way that isn't written as an exception. There fore move and attack is -4 and capped at 9 skill, etc.

Then why do Flamethrowers have Bulk of -7 to -8?

Tinman · 10-02-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Then why do Flamethrowers have Bulk of -7 to -8?

That is one of the reasons I'm asking these questions. My Artificer in my DF campaign just invented a flamethrower. The bulk according to DF-3 is -6.

sir_pudding · 10-02-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

That is one of the reasons I'm asking these questions. My Artificer in my DF campaign just invented a flamethrower. The bulk according to DF-3 is -6.

It makes sense for bulk to apply to flamethrower attacks, just think about what firing one is like. Much more like shooting a firearm then hitting someone with a sword. You aren't going to making a Move and Attack with the trigger depressed the whole time, right?

I'd let him use AoA (Jet) from High-Tech with it though.

vicky_molokh · 10-02-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

1) If you move and attack do you take the penalties for a ranged attack or a melee attack?

Treat as mêlée - that seems to indicate mêlée modifiers, not ranged ones (other stuff: it gets +4 AoAs).

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Originally Posted by Tinman

2) Does the target deffend as if it's a melee attack or a ranged attack?
spicificly:
A) Can the target retreat?

Probably yes, though I would say that the retreat must be to the side and not back, unless at the very edge of Range.

sir_pudding · 10-02-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Treat as mêlée - that seems to indicate mêlée modifiers, not ranged ones.

Well, like I said, you probably aren't going to be running around with the trigger depressed, that makes it more like a ranged Move and Attack, IMO. How about treat already deployed jets (like an on Flame Jet spell) as melee for Move and Attack but shooting a currently inactive jet weapon as a Ranged Move and Attack. That's what I'd do, anyway.

Tinman · 10-02-2014, 01:54 PM

The videos I've seen from WWII in the pacific, it looks like the gunner kinda waves it back & forth like a hose. I'm not sure if retreating to the side is any more viable than backwards.

I agree that the attacks are clearly closest to a melee attack however, I'm not sure if it makes sense to allow retreats other than dodge & drop.

sir_pudding · 10-02-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

The videos I've seen from WWII in the pacific, it looks like the gunner kinda waves it back & forth like a hose.

That's All-Out Attack (Jet), though.

10-02-2014, 12:35 PM	#1
Tinman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York City	'Jet Modifier' questions According to BB.106 Jet modifier [+0%]: Your attack is a continuous stream, like a flamethrower. Treat it as a melee weapon with a very long reach rather than as a ranged weapon. Do not apply penalties for target range and speed. My questions are: Does this modifier turn your ranged attack into a melee attack or is it a ranged attack that has an enhanced ability to hit? For example: 1) If you move and attack do you take the penalties for a ranged attack or a melee attack? 2) Does the target deffend as if it's a melee attack or a ranged attack? spicificly: A) Can the target retreat? B) Can the target use a shield to block?

10-02-2014, 12:39 PM	#2
GodBeastX Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Behind You	Re: 'Jet Modifier' questions If it says to treat it as a melee attack, you should treat it as a melee attack in any way that isn't written as an exception. There fore move and attack is -4 and capped at 9 skill, etc.

10-02-2014, 01:54 PM	#9
Tinman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York City	Re: 'Jet Modifier' questions The videos I've seen from WWII in the pacific, it looks like the gunner kinda waves it back & forth like a hose. I'm not sure if retreating to the side is any more viable than backwards. I agree that the attacks are clearly closest to a melee attack however, I'm not sure if it makes sense to allow retreats other than dodge & drop.