12-15-2009, 06:43 PM | #11 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
Makes sense. It would be helpful in future printings to say "immediately" on the card then. Due to the confusion, we've been treating it as an ability that adds an extra die roll for whichever side the Thief chooses, rolled in the Thief's colors, since that's when all the D6's are rolled in combat.
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12-15-2009, 11:53 PM | #12 | ||
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
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I remember we had a discussion a while back about how the Thief Backstab wasn't considered to be a "combat roll" (and therefore not subject to room benefits/disadvantages). But it is, still, a dice roll, on either side of the combat. The rules have this to say about the results of the combat: Quote:
If, in fact, it is meant to be immediate, then I agree with Corinus that it would be very helpful to say so on future printings of the card. Or could this be considered errata? |
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12-16-2009, 05:10 AM | #13 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
Given that anything Andrew Hackard or I say is an official answer unless one of us says it isn't, yes, it's an official answer. Also, by stating an opposite opinion and offering some form of logical reasoning for your opposition, you are arguing against the official ruling. I'm sorry, but you can't hedge around that by saying you're not trying to. It's like "no offense intended," which always precedes a statement intended to offend. If you don't want to argue against an official ruling, the way to do that is to not write a decent sized post offering you're reasons for why the official ruling is mistaken. . .
Regardless, this is a bonus, given to one side or the other, by the Thief. Just because a die roll is involved does not mean that the die has to be rolled with the dice normally rolled as part of combat. If the wording of the card needs to be changed, it would be to reflect that more than anything else. |
12-16-2009, 02:14 PM | #14 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
So is there a "proper" way to bring this up? I know you and Andrew do an awful lot of work here for us on the Munchkin forums, and I really do appreciate it. I respect both of you highly, and I don't want to give the appearance that I don't.
That being said, there are times (like this one) where, to me, the logical reading that I have from the cards and rules in question differs from your interpretation. I would like the opportunity to present my point of view, and explain it to the best of my ability, and I don't know if that's something that is frowned upon, or if there is a better way to do that, or what. If this is something that would be better handled via PM, I'd definitely be willing to do that, if the mods prefer. And again I reiterate, I hold all the mods in the highest respect, and I really don't want to do anything "the wrong way". Thank you very much for your time and assistance. |
12-16-2009, 03:20 PM | #15 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
I don't mind you asking questions and presenting your argument, until Andrew or I say it's time to lock it down and move on. You won't get in trouble for presenting an opinion or asking for clarification. You will get in trouble by continuing to press after we've made it extremely clear that the decision is final and there is no more room for debate.
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12-16-2009, 03:35 PM | #16 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
It's also worth noting that at times, how things are done "in the wild" can change our minds. For instance, the intent of the developer was that the d10 had to be rolled simultaneously with the other combat dice to use the Fighter's and Wizard's d10 powers. But I didn't play it that way and a lot of other people didn't seem to play it that way, and now the unofficial official ruling is that the d10 should be rolled as soon as you decide to invoke the power, regardless of class.
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12-17-2009, 10:36 AM | #17 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
Thanks for clearing that up. Another thing I thought of on the same lines are the items and such that let you roll an extra die, like the colored Rings against monsters with that color base. I realize that these are items, and not one-shot cards, but if there are any DxM cards that give the same functionality, would they need to be resolved instantly as well? Since it affects combat?
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12-17-2009, 10:43 AM | #18 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
The Bane rings are specifically meant to give you an extra combat die, so that gets rolled with your other combat die/ce.
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02-18-2012, 07:14 AM | #19 |
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Re: So how does backstabbing actually work?
So, if the ten sided dice roll is more than your level then your Backstab fails and you cannot try again until the next player's turn?
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