Anyone ever see a Bullpup semi-auto shotgun?

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by copeab

I'm not sure if the advantages of a bullpup outweigh the disadvantages for most users. Unless you dismount from a vehicle and really need a full length barrel, the bullpup isn't for you.

With combat shotguns, especially, there is very little benefit from having a longer barrel in tactical situation. The minimal velocity increase of 20"+ barrels over 12"-14" barrels means that unless you're using a tube magazine (and therefore, likely a pump-action) or are constrained by legality, you really don't want a longer barrel.

[copeab]

Originally Posted by Icelander

With combat shotguns, especially, there is very little benefit from having a longer barrel in tactical situation. The minimal velocity increase of 20"+ barrels over 12"-14" barrels means that unless you're using a tube magazine (and therefore, likely a pump-action) or are constrained by legality, you really don't want a longer barrel.

Right. For semi-auto shotguns, go with a regular stock. With a bullpup configuration, you risk getting popped in the face with ejected casings if fired left-handed (there are tactical situations where is may be desirable for a right-hander to do so) and the trigger is more fiddly (the bullpup requiring a long extension from trigger to sear that makes trigger pull inferior to standard configuration).

[SolemnGolem]

Originally Posted by copeab

With a bullpup configuration, you risk getting popped in the face with ejected casings if fired left-handed

As a southpaw shooter, this is something I appreciate about the KSG-12 (and less importantly on the BPS) - because they eject the shells downward, they're ambidextrous.

[benz72]

Originally Posted by hal

Magazine capacity drops to 12 shots firing 3" diameter shells instead of 2.5" shells (or was it 2.75").

Are you certain this is what you meant?

[hal]

Originally Posted by benz72

Are you certain this is what you meant?

My suspicion is that the magazine capacity is constrained by the laws of physics. The length of the cartridge in question, if it is BARELY able to handle 5 shells at a given length, likely drops to 4 shells with some unused volume for the larger shells. Of course, the gun could have been designed to handle say, FIVE of the larger shot gun shells - but that may very well have lengthened the barrel or something else. Why the designer went that way, you'd have to ask them, not me. All in all? I suspect that they designed it because they had their own shopping list of desirable traits. Somehow, I don't think there will ever be one gun to rule them all. Someone is going to always disagree with something and find it in another gun elsewhere.

;)

[SolemnGolem]

I think user benz72 was questioning the "diameter" part of your post. Perhaps you meant to type "length" instead of "diameter" in the first post of this thread?

12 gauge shotgun shells would be very unlikely to be 3" or even 2.5" in diameter... 18.5mm would be closer to the mark.

[hal]

Originally Posted by SolemnGolem

I think user benz72 was questioning the "diameter" part of your post. Perhaps you meant to type "length" instead of "diameter" in the first post of this thread?

12 gauge shotgun shells would be very unlikely to be 3" or even 2.5" in diameter... 18.5mm would be closer to the mark.

I believe you're right...

:)

[tshiggins]

Originally Posted by SolemnGolem

I think user benz72 was questioning the "diameter" part of your post. Perhaps you meant to type "length" instead of "diameter" in the first post of this thread?

12 gauge shotgun shells would be very unlikely to be 3" or even 2.5" in diameter... 18.5mm would be closer to the mark.

<Leghorn>

Flags down!
Mixing measurement systems in the same post!
Additional penalty, egregious use of metric units in an SJGames thread!

Five beer penalty!

(And I say, I say, none of this mass-market American lager schlock, either, son! Top quality craft-brews only!)

</Leghorn>

[Þorkell]

Originally Posted by tshiggins

<Leghorn>


(And I say, I say, none of this mass-market American lager schlock, either, son! Top quality craft-brews only!)

</Leghorn>

European ones?

[Kale]

Here's your 2" diameter option
(17th century hand mortars for fireworks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YIIUtUKm3g